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Old 11-26-17, 06:10 AM   #1
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Ultracycling and childhood trauma

So this is maybe a dumb question, but it has been nagging at me for awhile. Reading various articles from and about some very successful ultra endurance cyclists who credit(for lack of a better term) a rough childhood for their ability to be mentally tough and endure the challenges of various rides. Just wondering if there is a consistent connection?
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So this is maybe a dumb question, but it has been nagging at me for awhile. Reading various articles from and about some very successful ultra endurance cyclists who credit(for lack of a better term) a rough childhood for their ability to be mentally tough and endure the challenges of various rides. Just wondering if there is a consistent connection?
I had a relatively normal childhood ... I think. But I've always been stubborn.
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I'd imagine being exposed to and surviving any difficult experience may give some the mental toughness for endurance cycling.
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I think there's a connection, not with everyone, but . . . Not just childhood, how about current? Some people try to ride away from things.
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I really don't think that is the case, or at least not out of proportion to the entire population
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Not sure if you mean someone like a friend of mine......

Despite 'disabilities' man has biked 1.5 million miles | Local News | daily-journal.com

There are other articles on the net.
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I think it's just the color added to articles and films when giving rider's personal background and not over-represented among long-distance cyclists.

Ultra running has (had?) the equivalent wrt to drug/alcohol rehabilitation.
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I think it's just the color added to articles and films when giving rider's personal background and not over-represented among long-distance cyclists.
+1. Even those of us who had wonderful childhoods and happy lives since, have had a few experiences along the way that could be considered "traumatic", if you were to dig. It's a part of life.
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And on the flip side, ultra cycling can equip you well for difficult situations in "real" life.


As far as motivations to ride stupid-long distances, I just like riding my bike and have yet to find a ride that was "too long" (2 SR's so far, 1 1000k and 1 1200).
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I had a wonderful childhood. Then, apparently, something went wrong because I became a randonneur.
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Kinda along the same train of thought, Its a well established fact that many ultrarunners are recovering addicts (drugs, alcohol, etc).
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I think it's just the color added to articles and films when giving rider's personal background and not over-represented among long-distance cyclists.

Ultra running has (had?) the equivalent wrt to drug/alcohol rehabilitation.
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I think it's just the color added to articles and films when giving rider's personal background and not over-represented among long-distance cyclists.
The US seems to really go in for this stuff.

I've watched the US "Undercover Boss" and the UK "Undercover Boss". The US one is filled with sob stories and people crying and horrible situations, etc. etc. The UK one talks about how the people do their jobs. If I'm going to watch one, I prefer the UK one.

And I've seen the same comparison on other shows. Dancing/Singing Reality shows ... the US ones are full of the sob stories during the audition, in other countries the kids just audition.

So if the OP has seen docos or whatever based in the US, they are probably adding that sort of colour to appeal to the US market.
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Not sure if you mean someone like a friend of mine......

Despite 'disabilities' man has biked 1.5 million miles | Local News | daily-journal.com

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I'm skeptical of this.

1.5 million miles in 40 years equates to more than 102 miles per day, every day.
Yet, when he does long tours, he only averages 82 or so miles a day, losing 20 miles each day to the required average.

It seems like fake, feel-good publicity. Or a fairy tale.

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The US seems to really go in for this stuff.

I've watched the US "Undercover Boss" and the UK "Undercover Boss". The US one is filled with sob stories and people crying and horrible situations, etc. etc. ....
I blame US Olympic coverage by ABC/NBC and that idiotic "up close and personal" crap instead of showing the competition for heading the concentration on whining, etc. on the trajectory from which we suffer today in every facet of media presentation of sports or competitions or auditions or whatever.
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I'm skeptical of this.

1.5 million miles in 40 years equates to more than 102 miles per day, every day.
Yet, when he does long tours, he only averages 82 or so miles a day, losing 20 miles each day to the required average.

It seems like fake, feel-good publicity. Or a fairy tale.
Maybe? Who knows? Anyway, the article in Rivendell Reader issue 42 is better than what was linked above. (Direct PDF link, Page 11 is the article)
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I'm skeptical of this.

1.5 million miles in 40 years equates to more than 102 miles per day, every day.
Yet, when he does long tours, he only averages 82 or so miles a day, losing 20 miles each day to the required average.

It seems like fake, feel-good publicity. Or a fairy tale.
I didn't read the article but had this thought: If I rode 100+ miles every day on a light bike, I might well back off to 80% of that when I have the bike loaded to tour.

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I'm skeptical of this.

1.5 million miles in 40 years equates to more than 102 miles per day, every day.
Yet, when he does long tours, he only averages 82 or so miles a day, losing 20 miles each day to the required average.

It seems like fake, feel-good publicity. Or a fairy tale.
VERY informative article REGARDING HIS CYCLING.... https://miles4melanoma.com/freddiehoffman/

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I didn't read the article but had this thought: If I rode 100+ miles every day on a light bike, I might well back off to 80% of that when I have the bike loaded to tour.

Ben
Freddie's riding HAPPENS TO BE THE REAL DEAL! Plenty of information about him on the net and his FUND RAISING is also the real deal. I know him, have ridden with him and provided food and shelter on his NJ to Key West to NJ rides.
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What a remarkable human being. I hope he finds his destination.
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I guess there are all types of ways to arrive at a point where you are mentally tough. Life's experiences will do that. I tell the high school basketball players I coach, that mental toughness is an act of focusing on the goal and task at hand. Not getting sidetracked by other things. In Randonneuring however, I find if I am focusing on the distance or pedaling, I don't do as well as when my mind wonders. Especially when pain and/or fatigue are the enemy. My focus is on other things to mentally escape the pain. I think many do this in their real life experiences.
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I blame US Olympic coverage by ABC/NBC and that idiotic "up close and personal" crap
If the networks actually cut that crap out, essentially, you can fill 30 minutes with enough actual action that it currently takes the networks 3+hours to do. I find it hard to watch the olympics now, not enough coverage of other countries and weird events.
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yeah, before those stupid personal story segments, they used to cover all the track cycling on network tv, just as one example. Now, I think you have to watch them on the internet. Which of course, they couldn't get to work on all platforms
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I guess there are all types of ways to arrive at a point where you are mentally tough. Life's experiences will do that. I tell the high school basketball players I coach, that mental toughness is an act of focusing on the goal and task at hand. Not getting sidetracked by other things. In Randonneuring however, I find if I am focusing on the distance or pedaling, I don't do as well as when my mind wonders. Especially when pain and/or fatigue are the enemy. My focus is on other things to mentally escape the pain. I think many do this in their real life experiences.

Getting kids away from the TV when they are growing up and encouraging them to do things like read books might help too. The TV gives things to kids (and adults too) in small bits ... 2 minutes of this segment, 3 minutes of that segment, then a series of commercials, then a few more minutes of this and that ... it doesn't really help develop any kind of focusing skills or imagination.

I didn't have a TV until I was about 16. Perhaps that helps my ability to entertain myself with stories of my own creation while cycling long distances.

Oh ... maybe not having a TV until I was about 16 was a "childhood trauma"!!
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Oh ... maybe not having a TV until I was about 16 was a "childhood trauma"!!
Believe me, watching children's television has always been traumatic
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