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Old 12-20-17, 09:10 AM   #26
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I think I would have chronic fatigue syndrome if I tried doing 8.
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Also note that sometimes flat route does not necessarily mean easy, esp. if you are not used to riding mile after mile after mile after mile after mile sitting, sitting, sitting, sitting, with no variation in your cadence or leg muscle usage.

Also, as "unter..." indicates, wind can be challenging on the flatter portions.
^this!

I remember, years ago, deciding to do my first century in Savannah because it was relatively flat. I didnít realize that it meant constant pedaling, with little opportunity to break the monotony. Also, The wind was so bad that I had to peddle even on the downhills.
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yes, if a road is really flat, you get to know if you like your saddle or not. I was lucky on the 100 miles from Lumberton to the beach on Taste of Carolina that I did it when there was no wind. Actually, no wind either way. I think my propensity to ride in too high of a gear helps avoid problems with saddles in that sort of situation.
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Okay, so to recap, Taste of Carolina is happening toward the end of 2018 and would be a reasonable "first" 1200km to attempt.

I'm planning to do the SR in 2018 and attempt a 1200km, and if that turns out okay then maybe PBP 2019. Typing that out feels like typing out that I'm planning to grow some wings and then maybe fly to the moon.

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Okay, so to recap, Taste of Carolina is happening toward the end of 2018 and would be a reasonable "first" 1200km to attempt. ...
Um, see below.

The Taste of Carolina 1200 will be in late September, and although Tony has not published the ToC route, I know he is thinking of doing something HILLY. If you are thinking ToC will be flat, probably not.

The Carolina Spring 1200 will be in early May. Tony has not published the CS route, and I'm pretty sure he does not yet know his thoughts for the CS route -- I talked to Tony on Christmas afternoon. However, I expect the CS route will not be as hilly as the ToC route, but I do not expect FLAT, perhaps it will be flat or flattish, if you understand. I also expect the CS route to have less climbing than the DCR Blue Ridge to Bay 1200 in late-May (but I know nothing about the DCR planned route).
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I think the first 400k of the ToC I did was probably one of the hardest 400k's I have done. My favorite part of the cue sheet was that, after climbing up onto the Allegheny plateau and 40 miles of endless hills, the cue sheet noted that the next 60 miles had a lot of climbing. The only thing that keeps it from definitely being one of the hardest 400k's I have ever done is that it was pretty flat leaving and getting back to Greensboro.
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Thanks for clarifying. So if Iím looking for a 1200km that is not as difficult as others, preferably later in the season then earlier, which one would you recommend?
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not sure there are any. The Grand Coulee Challenge has a lot of 500 foot climbs. And I don't see the route for the Chicago 1200k. If flat is your main criteria, there is the Central Florida 1000k and the Nachez Trace 1000k. 1000k's have the advantage of qualifying you for ACP's Randonneur 5000 if you ride pbp and a fleche. It also would get you early registration for PBP.
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...And I don't see the route for the Chicago 1200k...
The Chicago 1200k Route looks to be pretty flat. The organizers are requiring either at least a 1000k or a full series in 2017 & 18 if it's your first 1200k. Riding west across the UP could be pretty challenging if it gets windy.
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That looks like a nice ride. I want to ride the Grand Coulee Challenge, but that ride is a consideration.
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I'm seriously considering it myself, but I have 4 teenagers so it may be tough for me to just take off for Labor Day weekend.
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not sure there are any. The Grand Coulee Challenge has a lot of 500 foot climbs. And I don't see the route for the Chicago 1200k. If flat is your main criteria, there is the Central Florida 1000k and the Nachez Trace 1000k. 1000k's have the advantage of qualifying you for ACP's Randonneur 5000 if you ride pbp and a fleche. It also would get you early registration for PBP.
Thanks!

Forgive my ignorance: One reason I wanted to a 1200km in 2018 was that I thought that it'd help me qualify for PBP in 2019 (thought I read that somewhere) .... so you are saying that doing a 1000km in 2018 would help me more with qualifying for PBP, i.e. with early registration? And will any 1000km ACP brevet in 2018 do, or only certain ones or done before a certain date?

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To qualify for for the 2019 PBP, "all" one need to do is complete a qualifying series in 2019.

References to rides, esp. the longer ones, in 2018 come about because, if the registration queue is the same in 2019 as in 2015 and 2011, riding a qualifying ride in 2018 will allow one to pre-register early for PBP. The longer the ride, the earlier the pre-registration.

Oh, and if the rule remains the same as for 2015 and 2011, one need NOT ride a series and a long ride (1000 or 1200) in 2018. Only the longest ride matters. I know one person who got early registration for 2011 by completing a 200 and a 1000 in 2010 -- did not start any of the in-between distances. The brother of the referenced rider is a lawyer and a well-known randonneur nationally and internationally; lawyers can be useful -- they usually can read an understand what is written, ignoring conventional wisdom interpretations that have gone wrong.
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Got it. Thanks, that's helpful. I guess I'll consider the 1000kms as well, then.
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1200's aren't sanctioned by ACP, so they don't help you with your registration. A 1000k will guarantee you the earliest possible registration slot for PBP. The advantage is that you get to pick your starting time before other people do. This is not an inconsequential advantage. Back in 2011, there were national quotas and they were threatening not to accept all riders. Turns out that had never happened. But it changed RUSA's approach to randonnees, you'll note that most of them are ACP sanctioned nowadays, whereast before 2010 200k's were often only RUSA sanctioned.

I think your idea to ride a domestic grand randonnee is a good one. I recommend doing a domestic 1000 or 1200, because you will have a better approach to PBP. Riding PBP as a first grand randonnee like I did is a bad idea. I would have enjoyed it much more had I ridden a domestic 1000 or 1200. Also, I decided on the 4th day of PBP that you had to be an idiot to ride a 1200k, and I would never do it again. Only later did I realize my approach to the ride was so stupid that it's amazing I finished. BTW, I think that was my slowest year on my SR series. I got in a lot better shape over the summer.
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I'm going to try to do a 1200k this year in country and PBP in 2019 as well. So far I've only completed a ACP 200k. I'm doing another 200k in a few weeks, and should have a 300k done by the end of February. Good luck!
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1200's aren't sanctioned by ACP, so they don't help you with your registration. A 1000k will guarantee you the earliest possible registration slot for PBP.
This is huge help, thank you. I'll be looking to ride a 1000km, then.
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In planning out the brevets of the year, is there an optimal time to space out brevets ?

For example, my preliminary picks for brevets in my area are generally 3-4 weeks apart,

1/27 200km
3/3 300km
3/24 400km
4/28 600km
5/25 1000km

8/26 1000km (2nd chance if I DNF the 1000km)


This sound about right? You all would know better than me. Seems like one brevet would prepare me for the next one, i.e. a week or less of easy spins to recover from the brevet, 1-2 weeks to do some intensity work to maintain conditioning while maintaining base with consistent low intensity miles, followed by a taper week before the next brevet, repeat ad nauseum?

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1200's aren't sanctioned by ACP, so they don't help you with your registration. A 1000k will guarantee you the earliest possible registration slot for PBP. The advantage is that you get to pick your starting time before other people do...
I'm confused by this post.

According to the 2015 PBP preregistration instructions, it was open to anyone who completed at least one Brevet de Randonneurs Mondiaux (BRM) event in 2014, where 1000k & 1200k qualify for the same earliest preregistration.

If they keep the preregistration rules the same, the earliest preregistration will be open to anyone who completes an RM sanctioned 1000k or longer. So if you were saying that a 1000k will be just as good as a 1200k for preregistering for PBP that's true, but the way you wrote it sounded like a 1000k will be better than a 1200k, which I don't think will be true assuming they don't change the rules.
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I'm confused by this post.

According to the 2015 PBP preregistration instructions, it was open to anyone who completed at least one Brevet de Randonneurs Mondiaux (BRM) event in 2014, where 1000k & 1200k qualify for the same earliest preregistration.

If they keep the preregistration rules the same, the earliest preregistration will be open to anyone who completes an RM sanctioned 1000k or longer. So if you were saying that a 1000k will be just as good as a 1200k for preregistering for PBP that's true, but the way you wrote it sounded like a 1000k will be better than a 1200k, which I don't think will be true assuming they don't change the rules.
As I read things....

Unter is right that the ACP doesn't certify 1200Ks, the RM does, however the instructions you linked make it clear that RM sanctioning is totally ok / is expected by the ACP for brevets of that length.

So yeah, for purposes of early registration at PBP, it shouldn't matter if its a 1000K or 1200K, so long as it's BRM or RM sanctioned.

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sorry for the bad information. Since I dnf'ed my 600k in 2015, I didn't keep up with the registration rules and I'm stuck in 2011.
I'm only vaguely aware of randonneuring politics, but it seems that after the controversy surrounding PBP registration and national quotas in 2011, ACP more fully embraced RM. It only makes sense, they obviously want to limit PBP participation to a level that they can handle. 5000 riders is really stressing the situation.


Still looks like for flat rides, 1000km is the way to go, at least in the U.S.

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For example, my preliminary picks for brevets in my area are generally 3-4 weeks apart,

1/27 200km
3/3 300km
3/24 400km
4/28 600km
5/25 1000km

8/26 1000km (2nd chance if I DNF the 1000km)


This sound about right? You all would know better than me. Seems like one brevet would prepare me for the next one, i.e. a week or less of easy spins to recover from the brevet, 1-2 weeks to do some intensity work to maintain conditioning while maintaining base with consistent low intensity miles, followed by a taper week before the next brevet, repeat ad nauseum?
That spacing looks good to me. I suggest finding a 200k in February. I learned a lot about myself and long distance strategy riding 200k's.
My impression is that up to 300km has a positive training effect for me. 400km and 600km tear me down a little. I did too much intensity during rando season this year and I got slower over the randonneuring season. And cramps go together with over-training far too well. So once you start riding brevets, I might limit intensity to sweet spot or lower. And a 100k every weekend where you don't overdo it. Maybe try backing off your eating a little on the 100km rides to encourage your body to adapt to that. Both series I rode this year featured 2 week intervals. The first 600k was 3 weeks after the 400k. The second series was 300/400/600 spaced at two week intervals.

Look into the registration now for the 1000k's to find out when it starts. Some rides fill up quickly. You usually can get in on the waiting list, but it's better to have certainty. And most RBAs have fairly lenient cancellation policies.
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I want to ride the Grand Coulee Challenge, but that ride is a consideration.
Parts of the Grand Coulee Challenge are in my (current) territory - around Winona/La Crosse/Viroqua. I ride some of those roads on a weekly basis

It's really unique terrain: hills are usually 400-600 feet over 1-2.5 miles, with some nice steep switchbacks and rollers on the ridgetops. I don't think the ride will disappoint!
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Thanks, thatís helpful.
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sorry for the bad information.


Don't feel bad, Eric. Last year, even John Lee got confused on a basic rule. It was in regards to Permanents and not PBP, but still, ... .
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