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Old 01-06-18, 11:06 AM   #51
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I don't participate in Randonneuring but I do dress up like Grant Peterson for Halloween, does that count?

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That made me google Grant Peterson.
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I've done quite a bit of observing. The vast majority are running ordinary road bikes of whatever vintage, whatever they ordinarily show up on for road rides.

There's also small minority of what I might call BF randos. They're read all about it, visited the forums, and put something together that looks like that: steel, Brooks, front and rear racks, bar bag with that French tubing thing, hub lighting, wide wheels and wide tires with tread. They walk the steep ones. And c'mon folks, there's a heckuva lot of that kind of content on this forum.

There's another small minority of really strong, really experienced riders like what's pictured in BQ, who do the whole custom French thing and ride the heck out of those rigs. I doubt they're any faster or any more comfortable than they'd be on an ordinary road bike, but they can move those bikes just fine and want that look. They can explain for hours how every little thing on that bike was designed to make their rando experience better.

So I was on a 200k one time and after spending about an hour at a control trying to thaw my feet after riding with no booties in an unexpected sleet storm, I came up on a paceline. I sat in for a while, until the weird pacing started to bug me. I wanted to get up the road, so I went up front to have a look. Pulling the whole line was a 20-something guy in loose wool knickers and knee socks, pedaling a fixie with flats. He had homemade plastic fenders, Brooks, bar bag, everything. Helmet though, instead of a newsboy cap. So there it was, everything good, right? Except he said he had to walk the steep hills. Anyway, he was styling, for sure.

For my part, that was the last time I made firm clothing choices from a weather forecast.
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I mean Road cyclist will flip a twig if someone isn't wearing the correct length of socks. Enduro riders flip a twig is someone shows up on an unduro bike wearing XC lycra.

When I google searched Ranonneuring I get mostly vintage type stuff. I stumbled upon the "Masi Speciale Randonneur" in my quest of looking up Roadplus , WTB Horizon. The comments against Ultegra modern cranks was in this forum. So it was 100% natural to wonder if Randonneuring wasn't any different that other areas in cycling. Road cycling sock length *cough cough*

Me I really don't care, I MTB in my road helment, I MTB in a T shirt. I wear No see socks when I road cycle. sometimes its a race cut jersey, sometimes its club cut, sometime I am street cloths and no helmet when I ride my hybrid. or street cloths and helmet when on SS road bike. screw cliches, screw fads,

but I seriously was confussed, and i seriously did want to know what randonneuring was.

I mean I know what charity rides are, I know what fondos are, I know what RAAM is, I know what touring is, I know what Indian Pacific Wheel Race is.
Randonneuring was confusing. I thought maybe it was an reliving an ERA thing. my bad if my question wasn't understandable. Touchy lot some of you are. :'(
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Randonneuring is performed with a wide selection of bicycles. Many of those bicycles readily fit in other category descriptions.

"Rando bicycles" are bikes marketed and sold to typify a particular period style of bike that does not fit into a different category. People who like this style of bikes may ride them in randos, or they may ride them a lot of other places. They may seem impractical to you, but I'm willing to bet bags with leather trimmed seams hold up really damn well, and some rando people like the idea of long, trouble free usage more than they care about weight.


You are making the same mistake as saying that a sport/touring bike isn't allowed in a citizen road race, or that an MTB can't cyclocross.


The fact that a minority in every community is going to have strong feelings about preserving certain attributes of particular bike styles doesn't mean that the majority sees it that way. Please stop confusing the two.
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Hmm.

You know, there is a fixie aesthetic, closely linked to the hipster aesthetic. Those guys ride fixed gear bikes. There's a tenuous connection between the two, I won't elaborate.

There is also a "randonneuring bike" aesthetic. Google "French Fender Day" if you don't know what I mean. I went to FFD this year, and ran into an old friend, a guy I met on a randonnee a few years ago. He's a serious rider and he appreciates that randonneuring bike aesthetic.

That's not to say they are the same thing.

My randonneuring bike is an obvious art project, home made decals, home made leather saddle, dynamo lights and vintage fenders, and that ain't all. I'm totally into the vintage gear, the aesthetic, whatever. I may be the guy OP was referring to. But I have to say, my art project randonneuring bike, with the fenders and the dynamo lights and the 650b tires etc, it served me well on my SR series and many other rides.

On randonnees I meet a lot of guys who are not in the least impressed with my art project bike. I do meet with a few who make kind remarks about it, but on the rides, we don't take much notice of the other guy's gear unless it fails in a spectacular way (see my thread about mechanical failures). On the rides, we ride, that's about it. If your gear serves you well, it's good gear. The aesthetic is irrelevant.

I don't think anyone on these rides is concerned with his or her image. Maybe I'm wrong... eh, who cares. The people doing the randonnees are a diverse group.

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I am getting the feelings that sometimes the only difference between Randonneuring and say the other same things is all in image.
So when are you signing up for your first randonnee to find out for yourself?
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If the gear is made of natural fibers and/or leather then it's randonneuring. If the gear is made of synthetic fibers then it's endurance riding.

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If the gear is made of natural fibers and/or leather then it's randonneuring. If the gear is made of synthetic fibers then it's endurance riding.

Simple.
And what if we ride with a combination of the two?
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And what if we ride with a combination of the two?
Endurance randonneuring.
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And what if we ride with a combination of the two?
That's not allowed. If you mix wool with polyester, it could explode.
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My randonneuring bike is an obvious art project, home made decals, home made leather saddle, dynamo lights and vintage fenders, and that ain't all. I'm totally into the vintage gear, the aesthetic, whatever. I may be the guy OP was referring to. But I have to say, my art project randonneuring bike, with the fenders and the dynamo lights and the 650b tires etc, it served me well on my SR series and many other rides.

On randonnees I meet a lot of guys who are not in the least impressed with my art project bike. I do meet with a few who make kind remarks about it, but on the rides, we don't take much notice of the other guy's gear unless it fails in a spectacular way (see my thread about mechanical failures). On the rides, we ride, that's about it. If your gear serves you well, it's good gear. The aesthetic is irrelevant.

I don't think anyone on these rides is concerned with his or her image. Maybe I'm wrong... eh, who cares. The people doing the randonnees are a diverse group.
thank you! This is what I didn't know. Now I know it's a mix of both. modern/vintage and umm and a level of purposeful aesthetic, aka art?

At First (When I made the post) I was thinking that Randonneuring might be the art side, and Endurance cycling the modern side of doing the same thing, but in different ways.
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So when are you signing up for your first randonnee to find out for yourself?
based on some of the responses here,_____________, probably never.
I'll just keep doing my own thing in cycling.

Carbonfiberboy and Rhm being 2 people that come off as being down to earth and worthy of being around though.
PDlamb started it off on a good foot, and then....... whatever, I got my answers. doesn't matter.
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randonneuring has nothing to do with image, that's ridiculous.
There seems to be more than a few that are into it for the aesthetics side of it, aka image.
It's just not required.

So ummm my question was not so Ridiculous of a question after all.
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There seems to be more than a few that are into it for the aesthetics side of it, aka image.
It's just not required.

So ummm my question was not so Ridiculous of a question after all.
But your assertion that it is mainly about image was ridiculous. And insulting.


What kind of bike do you ride, where no one ever cares about how things look?
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But your assertion that it is mainly about image was ridiculous. And insulting.


What kind of bike do you ride, where no one ever cares about how things look?
If you took it as insulting, That's on you.

The best way to know something is to ask.... So I asked.
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There seems to be more than a few that are into it for the aesthetics side of it, aka image.
No one is riding 200k+ for the aesthetics of it. More nonsense
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If you took it as insulting, That's on you.
No, it isn't. Your posts make it sound like you believe practitioners of an ultra endurance sport or shallow posers, and then you dismissed the sport when you didn't like the answers.

I'm not personally insulted, but I can certainly tell the difference between someone who is being rude and someone who is not.
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based on some of the responses here,_____________, probably never.
I'll just keep doing my own thing in cycling.
Good for you. It can be hurtful to one's pride to actually go out to the world and have their simplistic assumptions challenged.
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Doing a randonneur with the image of a bygone era isn't posing. And I NEVER once suggested that the image side of it was shallow. again that is on you.
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Doing a randonneur with the image of a bygone era isn't posing. And I NEVER once suggested that the image side of it was shallow. again that is on you.
Every experienced randonneur here has said it's not about looks or image, yet you insist it is because you heard it on the internet. Can't you see how that might be a little irritating?
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Doing a randonneur with the image of a bygone era isn't posing. And I NEVER once suggested that the image side of it was shallow. again that is on you.
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...pizza racks.
How many sports do you know of where the athletes would appreciate being told they do it "totally" for image?

And why would you keep insisting this POV when people took the time to keep explaining that it isn't true?

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Of course he can.


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There's a predictable pattern to 'explain-it-to-me' trolling on BF starting with an intentionally disrespectful, dismissive, obtuse and pedantic posting tone. Does this sound familiar?

The Troll: "I've never actually participated in ( randonneuring, racing, touring, etc ) but my shallow inter-web reading proves that you in this BF sub-forum are utterly clueless, inept poseurs. Let me straighten you lot out."

The Hook is Set: "I have annoying baseless arguments for any responding posters to rile them up for as long as possible."

The Martyr: "You people are so Mean to humble well meaning information seekers like me.
Farewell forever, until next time."
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I've done quite a bit of observing. The vast majority are running ordinary road bikes of whatever vintage, whatever they ordinarily show up on for road rides.

There's also small minority of what I might call BF randos. They're read all about it, visited the forums, and put something together that looks like that: steel, Brooks, front and rear racks, bar bag with that French tubing thing, hub lighting, wide wheels and wide tires with tread. They walk the steep ones. And c'mon folks, there's a heckuva lot of that kind of content on this forum.

There's another small minority of really strong, really experienced riders like what's pictured in BQ, who do the whole custom French thing and ride the heck out of those rigs. I doubt they're any faster or any more comfortable than they'd be on an ordinary road bike, but they can move those bikes just fine and want that look. They can explain for hours how every little thing on that bike was designed to make their rando experience better.

So I was on a 200k one time and after spending about an hour at a control trying to thaw my feet after riding with no booties in an unexpected sleet storm, I came up on a paceline. I sat in for a while, until the weird pacing started to bug me. I wanted to get up the road, so I went up front to have a look. Pulling the whole line was a 20-something guy in loose wool knickers and knee socks, pedaling a fixie with flats. He had homemade plastic fenders, Brooks, bar bag, everything. Helmet though, instead of a newsboy cap. So there it was, everything good, right? Except he said he had to walk the steep hills. Anyway, he was styling, for sure.

For my part, that was the last time I made firm clothing choices from a weather forecast.
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Hmm.

You know, there is a fixie aesthetic, closely linked to the hipster aesthetic. Those guys ride fixed gear bikes. There's a tenuous connection between the two, I won't elaborate.

There is also a "randonneuring bike" aesthetic. Google "French Fender Day" if you don't know what I mean. I went to FFD this year, and ran into an old friend, a guy I met on a randonnee a few years ago. He's a serious rider and he appreciates that randonneuring bike aesthetic.

That's not to say they are the same thing.

My randonneuring bike is an obvious art project, home made decals, home made leather saddle, dynamo lights and vintage fenders, and that ain't all. I'm totally into the vintage gear, the aesthetic, whatever. I may be the guy OP was referring to. But I have to say, my art project randonneuring bike, with the fenders and the dynamo lights and the 650b tires etc, it served me well on my SR series and many other rides.

On randonnees I meet a lot of guys who are not in the least impressed with my art project bike. I do meet with a few who make kind remarks about it, but on the rides, we don't take much notice of the other guy's gear unless it fails in a spectacular way (see my thread about mechanical failures). On the rides, we ride, that's about it. If your gear serves you well, it's good gear. The aesthetic is irrelevant.

I don't think anyone on these rides is concerned with his or her image. Maybe I'm wrong... eh, who cares. The people doing the randonnees are a diverse group.

Something tells me the people that are offended probably don't do randonneur events anyways. They just ride around town on MAsi production Randonneur bikes.


And again, one way to know what kind of riders the Randonneur events have was to ask.
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I'm still confused about the pizza racks. I thought pizza was a non-no for cyclists. I heard that on the interweb.

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