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Old 01-05-18, 04:05 PM   #1
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Randonneuring (image)

how much of Randonneuring is about image?

The style of bags, leather bags, leather seats gumwall/skinwalls, Steel frames, geometry, etc.....

I am getting the feelings that sometimes the only difference between Randonneuring and say the other same things is all in image. as in No carbon allowed in Randonneuring, that carbon thing would be endurance riding, or Ultracycling.

As in Like a 4 arm spider ring of a New Ultegra crank is a no no to some people in the Randonneuring circle.

This is why I am asking if Randonneuring is about an image portrayed.
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The only "image" I'm worried about on a brevet is the "Can a motorist see me in low visibility conditions (rain, fog, or dark)?"


The rest is utility. No leather bags for me, steel frames because that's what I have, geometry is stable (for a mind that wanders after hours on the road) and comfortable (for a bum that's been out there with the mind). Fenders? I start drying off 30-60 minutes sooner if I'm not getting splattered after the rain has quit, much less been soaked front AND back while it was coming down.


YMMV, of course. As long as you're enjoying the ride, it's all good.
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YMMV, of course. As long as you're enjoying the ride, it's all good.
I've always wanted to tour, but man pushing a bike with a house packed on it doesn't look enjoyable. I mean I don't like walking anyways.

Not sure what I am yet. I have my own Ideas about what I want to go do. So I am pulling a little bit from touring, a bit from bikepacking, a bit from the competition/ultracycling/Randonneuring/endurance.

I was just curious is all. it seems Randonneuring all have the pizza rack thing going on front and rear with 2 square bags one up front and one in the back with 70's looking bikes. The Masi production bike comes out, but people diss on the crank. So that got me to wondering if Randonneuring was something that was image driven.
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I was just curious is all. it seems Randonneuring all have the pizza rack thing going on front and rear with 2 square bags one up front and one in the back with 70's looking bikes. The Masi production bike comes out, but people diss on the crank. So that got me to wondering if Randonneuring was something that was image driven.
Where have you observed this?
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A simple answer to my Question is

No, randonneuring isn't about image.
yes, randonneuring is about image.

and then I can take that information and better apply what Randonneurs do, to what I want to do. As in, are they really doing it because it's what is best, or are they doing it as a reenactment.


What separates randonneurs from endurance cyclist?
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should I rephrase?

Is Randonneuring about being vintage?

Can a person Randonneur on a Ultra cycling setup with a Carbon bike?
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with 70's looking bikes.
Man, I feel out of date using my 60's model bike for touring

I think you have to make the distinction here between touring and racing. Supported racing? Solo racing?

For touring, depending on one's trip, then one often chooses a bike that is "bomb-proof" for long distance rides. I.E. Plan 1000 miles going way off the beaten path, and look for a bike that won't break, and if it does, something that replacement parts will be easy to find, and easy to install.

Everything I read about Carbon Fiber indicates that it is strong and durable in some directions, and fragile in other directions. So its use really depends on one's needs. Also, perhaps one would save 5 pounds between a quality chromoly frame (built extra rugged) vs a quality carbon fiber frame (with not quite so rugged design). One may well be able to save that 5 pounds by choosing a lighter tent or sleeping bag.

I woudn't be surprised, however, if we start seeing CF encroaching on touring builds. Maybe some small parts such as a CF seatpost? CF derailleurs? CF shifters? CF has already been hitting the MTB and cyclocross business in a big way. Why not touring?
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should I rephrase?

Is Randonneuring about being vintage?

Can a person Randonneur on a Ultra cycling setup with a Carbon bike?
No, certainly not for most people.

Yes, modern style bikes are more typically used than what you seem to associate with rando ("BQ approved" bike).

I am gonna guess you've never seen a real rando event before.
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No, certainly not for most people.

Yes, modern style bikes are more typically used than what you seem to associate with rando ("BQ approved" bike).

I am gonna guess you've never seen a real rando event before.
what is a BQ approved bike?
why is is it so hard to get a simple answer, for a simple question?

Edit: uhh a "real" rando event? you mena they have fake ones? what is the difference between a real rando and a fake rando event?
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what is a BQ approved bike?
why is is it so hard to get a simple answer, for a simple question?
Thats a reference to Bicycle Quarterly.

You are asking confusing questions. But I will say they seem to be based on too much intetnet living and less actual living.
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Thats a reference to Bicycle Quarterly.
who is BQ, and why do they need to approve a bike for it to be rando?
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can you drop the code speak, and just answer the questions?
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can you drop the code speak, and just answer the questions?
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who is BQ, and why do they need to approve a bike for it to be rando?
Note the use of quotations around the term.
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Bicycle quarterly was an interesting google search.

So Randonneuring. It's kinda like using hand saws and axes to get fire wood instead of using chain saws and log splitters.

IT is totally about IMAGE, and reenactment. reliving the past, including riding clothing. thanks for the help
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randonneuring has nothing to do with image, that's ridiculous.

They do the same races over and over again, does that make racing reenactment? The people that started calling radonneuring that should know better. Although some of them are just snide, horrible people, pretty much.

If you ever went to an Ohio Randonneurs event, you would find out how wrong you are. Although you have to get up fairly early for that.
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I think some of that is regional. I gather that some people feel obligated to get a classic "rando" bike, but riders around here, not so much. And if it helps any, the riders that I know that do the most riding are the least concerned about meeting somebody else's expectation of image.
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randonneuring has nothing to do with image, that's ridiculous.

They do the same races over and over again, does that make racing reenactment? The people that started calling radonneuring that should know better. Although some of them are just snide, horrible people, pretty much.

If you ever went to an Ohio Randonneurs event, you would find out how wrong you are. Although you have to get up fairly early for that.
I'd call wearing wool knickers reenactment, along with the use of square bags trimmed in leather on pizza racks. and Using era specific bikes and era looking head lamps reenactment. It also comes across as projecting an image of how they wish people to see them.

but this is why I asked the Question, I wasn't sure if that was a minority, or majority.
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and no reenactment isn't a bad thing, I did some Society for Creative Anachronism, super fun!
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how much of Randonneuring is about image?
seriously, it's not pretty

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The style of bags, leather bags, leather seats gumwall/skinwalls, Steel frames, geometry, etc.....
generalization from prejudice, not reflected by the facts. Never seen a leather bag on a randonnee.

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I am getting the feelings that sometimes the only difference between Randonneuring and say the other same things is all in image. as in No carbon allowed in Randonneuring, that carbon thing would be endurance riding, or Ultracycling.
this is false, totally false. Tons of randonneurs ride carbon. There is huge overlap between the ultracycling community and randoneuring.

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As in Like a 4 arm spider ring of a New Ultegra crank is a no no to some people in the Randonneuring circle.
where would you have gotten such an idea. Certainly not from a randonneur.

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This is why I am asking if Randonneuring is about an image portrayed.
I'm not exactly sure what this is supposed to mean. Randonneuring is about riding your bike a long way. There are people that have randoneuring bikes that don't participate in randonneuring. That's fine, but it says nothing about randonneuring.
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I don't participate in Randonneuring but I do dress up like Grant Peterson for Halloween, does that count?

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There are people that have randoneuring bikes that don't participate in randonneuring. That's fine, but it says nothing about randonneuring.
so what makes a bike a randonneuring bike, rather than a ultra endurance bike, Or a pacific wheel race bike?
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generalization from prejudice, not reflected by the facts. Never seen a leather bag on a randonnee.

this is false, totally false. Tons of randonneurs ride carbon. There is huge overlap between the ultracycling community and randoneuring.
I wouldn't know from a Google search. And apparently asking questions seems to ruffle feathers. why?

So if Randonneuring isn't what google says it is, what exactly is Randonneuring?

I mean is it that hard to Explain?

btw, I circled the leather bags for you.
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It's the language you use.

You talk about giving straight answers but every post you've made involves some sort of weird suggestive imagery. Try some intellectual honesty to set the tone perhaps. Are you asking an actual or merely rhetorical question.

The actual question was answered quite nicely in post 2. No.

You can rando with whatever you like. Some people like modern stuff, some older, some a practical mixture of both.

Rando is different from straight up road racing in that you have to be prepared for all conditions over a long time period, hence the fenders and racks/bags. No outside support allowed so lights, warm clothes etc... But it is somewhat non competitive or rather personally competitive so people can geek out on old school stuff if they want without veering too far outside the parameters of the events. BQ is a magazine that embraces the old school charm of cycling but is not indicative of rando itself. You can do a rando on a $5000 carbon bike or a $300 steel bike. I don't think anyone really cares.

Ultra racing is different again in that it is more competitive and so the selective process suggests modern bikes and lightweight minimalist gear to gain the better edge. What is not always shown is how closely the edge between prepared and unprepared stripped down rigs can be. Trial and error tells the rider what they do and don't need.

Hope that helps. It also helps if you act a little more mature and don't spazz out because someone didn't answer your question exactly as you wanted in the time you allowed.

This is my current endurance bike that I plan to ride in rando events this season.


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is Google prejudice, or factual?

does Randoneuring have subcategories? vintage/modern?
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