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Old 05-24-18, 10:16 PM
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Carry extra tire?

I am planning on attempting a 200k next month. (This is a road ride.) I am curious how many riders carry an extra tire (not referring to extra tube) during a ride of this distance?
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I've never carried an extra tire and I've done several 200Ks. What I do make sure I have is some currency with me in the rare event I get a cut in my sidewall. You put the bill in between the tire and the replacement tube. But I've only had to do that when I've ridden on some MUPs where I encountered broken glass. Or you could buy an emergency tire boot which takes up very little room.

Are the roads in your are prone to many hazards like broken glass?
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I wouldn't feel the need to bring an extra tire on a 200k, but I do normally bring an extra tire on longer distances, especially if my rear tire is near end-of-life.
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Are the roads in your are prone to many hazards like broken glass?
I live in New England. The 200k is mostly rural; so not glass, but maybe some loose gravel, potholes, etc.
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I always carry an extra tire. I don't generally take stuff on and off of my rando bike, I find that then it's not on there when I expect it. I have boots made from a tyvek envelope, but I would rather just replace the tire. I have used it once, on the fleche last year. My team thought we were dnf for sure when my tire blew. It was a fairly new Bontrager tire that was defective.

On a really difficult 200k, we were less than 10 miles from the end and a rider kept having flats because he needed a tire. Finally, resigning himself to dnf, he told us to go ahead because he didn't have a tire. It turned out that the other 5 people riding with him all had a tire, so we got him to the end.
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Currency is good. You can also cut a Tyvek postal mailer into 2" strips and carry one or two of those in your patch kit; it takes up no space and may save a ride.

But to answer your question, yes, I carry a spare tire. I have ended up using my spare tire only once, and that was almost four years ago. I was glad to have it.

One time, on a tour 35 years ago, I carried a tire 1200 miles before needing it, and when I needed it I discovered it wouldn't fit on my rims. I had tried it on another rim, but not on the rims on my touring bike. And then, having discovered it was just dead weight, I was to cheap to throw it away, and continued to carry it on the rest of the tour.
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I've ridden with other folks who pack an extra tire for long brevets. And I did ruin some crusty old Panaracers on my second RAGBRAI -- I was fortunate that there are bike shop tents in most towns on that ride and I was able to find a couple more 700x25C tires for cheap.

But for most of my riding, I rely on my generally good luck with tires and tubes, rather than packing extra tires. Now watch me ruin both of my Compass tires on the commute home, now that I've jinxed myself.
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I only carried the minimal essentials -- tubes, pump and tools -- for my 200k and 300k brevets but for an upcoming 600k I do plan to carry an extra tire.
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I don't normally carry a tire except on a 1200K or something, and even then it'll probably go in the drop bag from now on. I change my tires before they get too worn and I'd never start a long ride with an old or worn tire anymore... I did that once out west after skidding hard in an emergency stop I didn't realize how much that damaged the tire

It does depend on where the ride is happening though; for sparsely populated areas the case to carry a spare tire is stronger... oddly enough I've found in the more sparsely populated parts of Ontario the roads tend to be cleaner since there are less people throwing bottles at street signs or whatever they do to get glass all over the place. Depending on your frame it's pretty easy to roll up a spare tire and stuff it under the seat tube cluster.
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I think someone on last weekend's 600k dropped a spare tire in the middle of a big, busy 5 lane road. Not sure how that happens. At least it sure looked like a bike tire. I contemplated stopping for it, but decided risking my life for a tire of unknown condition was a little too charitable.
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It's not essential, but I usually carry a spare tire. I think I've used it maybe 3 times in something like 100,000k of randonneuring.
Something I've needed about as often, maybe more so, is a spare pump/inflator. I've broken a couple of Road Morphs along the way.
If you're riding with other people, stuff like that is less essential, if you're doing the whole ride solo, it's a little more important. If you're using 25's or 28's, it's handier to carry a spare than if you're using wide tires.
If you have a big bag of junk you're toting along, a spare tire's a good item to include. If you're traveling as light as possible, it's a good item to leave home.
In a lot of cases, a tire boot would do the trick, too, and is a lot more compact.
If you carry a spare tire, you can carry a size thinner than what you're riding. Obviously, make it a folding tire. If you have a worn but still usable tire, it ought to be lighter and more compact than a new one.
Without a spare, you run a low risk of being stranded and having to hitch or call for a ride. If you're okay with that, then there you go. If it's a do-or-die where you're trying to qualify for something or get an award or you traveled halfway around the world to do it, then belt & suspenders approach makes a little more sense.
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I always carry an extra tire. I don't generally take stuff on and off of my rando bike, I find that then it's not on there when I expect it. I have boots made from a tyvek envelope, but I would rather just replace the tire. I have used it once, on the fleche last year. My team thought we were dnf for sure when my tire blew. It was a fairly new Bontrager tire that was defective.

On a really difficult 200k, we were less than 10 miles from the end and a rider kept having flats because he needed a tire. Finally, resigning himself to dnf, he told us to go ahead because he didn't have a tire. It turned out that the other 5 people riding with him all had a tire, so we got him to the end.
Catastrophic failure of a tire can occur at any distance. Our flèche captain's tire separated from the bead resulting in tearing of the sidewall. The tire could not be fixed with a boot or any amount of duct tape. Since witnessing that event, I carry a spare tire and two tubes on ALL rides. I have never needed the spare, but feel better about having it.
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... tire separated from the bead resulting in tearing of the sidewall. The tire could not be fixed with a boot or any amount of duct tape....
You'd be surprised! I had a tear that fits that description on my commuter bike last year. Brand new Michelin tire (less than a month old) and it tore right at the bead, two or three inches of bead completely unattached. I had a new tube with me, but no tire.
Time for Plan B, I thought, so I called my wife for a ride and she said okay, I can be there in like three hours. Oh, time for Plan C.

As it happened I had a fairly large amount of cash in my wallet, like eight crisp new twenties. I wrapped them around the tube in a kind of staggered fashion, so each bill made a belt around the tube, overlapping itself at the ends, and overlapping the next bill along the sides, and tucked that all inside the tire. As I inflated it, the bills slid against one another until the pressure from the tube held them in place, and after that they stayed put. I didn't pump it up very hard, probably not more than 50 psi. At that pressure, you couldn't even see where the tire was damaged. I rode home no problem.
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...As it happened I had a fairly large amount of cash in my wallet, like eight crisp new twenties...
Great story. I'm adding eight crisp new twenties to my tool-kit right now.
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it's pretty easy to roll up a spare tire and stuff it under the seat tube cluster.
I have watched videos on how to fold a tire.....for the life of me....I cannot figure it out. Would really help if I knew how; I would definitely strap it under my seat.
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Great story. I'm adding eight crisp new twenties to my tool-kit right now.
Fifties work better, I just didn't have any.

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I have watched videos on how to fold a tire.....for the life of me....I cannot figure it out. Would really help if I knew how; I would definitely strap it under my seat.
It's easier if you use a folding tire, but even a tire with a wire bead can be folded once or twice. You just have to be careful to not kink the wire bead. Some tires are easier than others; narrow tires are easier than fat ones, light ones are easier than heavy ones.
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Fifties work better, I just didn't have any..
I'm so cheap I'll probably just cut up a fedex envelope in to bill sized pieces.
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I'm so cheap I'll probably just cut up a fedex envelope in to bill sized pieces.
That's not cheap, that's a "Macgiver."
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I have watched videos on how to fold a tire.....for the life of me....I cannot figure it out. Would really help if I knew how; I would definitely strap it under my seat.
The folding tires I buy come flat and rolled up so it's easy to tuck 'em under the seat. I've seen steel wire tires folded up too but a basic folding tire isn't that expensive, I wouldn't carry an expensive one as a spare.
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The folding tires I buy come flat and rolled up so it's easy to tuck 'em under the seat. I've seen steel wire tires folded up too but a basic folding tire isn't that expensive, I wouldn't carry an expensive one as a spare.
I usually buy GP 4000s. So, maybe I should use the cheaper Giant stock tire that come off the bike when I bought it.
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Since it's only a spare, consider not only using a folding tire (which as @clasher points out are no longer exotic and expensive), but going down a size to save space and weight. For example, the friend in my earlier post used 650x38B tires on her bike, but used a 650x32B tire for a spare.
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Or rather than going smaller, carry an older, not-quite-dead tire as your spare, because they fold up easier, and the bead is stretched so it's easier to mount roadside; I would honestly never want to try to mount a brand-new tire under time pressure, but I also have weak hands.
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I think you can boot a tire that separates from the bead, and if you can't you can wrap it with duct tape. Seen that work when a boot didn't. I have both now.

I like to have a spare that is the same size as the tires I'm using. I have a new tire as my spare now, going to put it on and swap with one of the still-good tires I have been riding. I like to retire tires early, but no reason not to use one as a spare. Just don't let it stick around so long it dry rots. I usually swap the old spare out for a newer one when I put new tires on, but I switched tire sizes last year. So usually, my spares are 2 years old when I retire them.
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I carry an extra tire on every ride. There's nothing special about a long ride other than that its miles are the same as the sum of many shorter rides. So yeah, I carry a ~220g tire. Also 2 tubes. A rando buddy of mine carries 4 tubes, probably better for rando. Another buddy once had 8 flats from different causes on one pass climb. And yes, I've used the spare tire, but more often have loaned it to other riders. A really cool thing about carrying the spare is that if I flat, I put a spare tube in the spare tire. I don't have to lose time fussing around trying to find the source of the flat. - and maybe missing it. I started carrying the spare tire the day after borrowing one from a fellow rider. You want to carry the smallest tire you'd use, say a 23. That way you can loan it to the widest group of other riders. No point in carrying a big tire that won't fit some bikes.
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I may have carried a spare tire when I rode an abandoned road officially closed to all traffic that had a lot of debris on it. Not one car or bicycle for hours and hours - think post apocalypse! We crossed massive rock slides in several places. It was basically passable on a bicycle or a bulldozer only. But that's really the exception for my routes. No brevet is anything like that

I never carry a spare tire on any other ride because the risk of failure is too small to worry about, I might as well carry a spare frame
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