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Old 07-20-09, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Raffi View Post
So has anyone attempted the surgery?
I should probably mention that neither the Brooks Imperial nor the Selle Anatomica have straight slots cut in them; each slot has narrow areas and wide areas. I don't have any idea how they arrived at shapes of the slots, but Brooks and MCM have patented their designs. In addition, MCM will add a layer of laminate under the saddle to stiffen it a bit.

I'm not so sure that I would be too quick to take a sharp knife to a saddle that I paid nearly a hundred bucks for...in fact, I didn't: I sent mine to MCM and let them do the surgery
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FWIW, I recently installed my B-17 on my Trucker and finished a 70-mile backroads ride this weekend. Lots of saddle time on the hills, and lots of weight in my panniers, whatever that's worth.

And my butt felt totally fine the whole time.

I think it's official: my Brooks is finally broken in.
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Old 07-20-09, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dwnptrl_777 View Post
FWIW, I recently installed my B-17 on my Trucker and finished a 70-mile backroads ride this weekend. Lots of saddle time on the hills, and lots of weight in my panniers, whatever that's worth.

And my butt felt totally fine the whole time.

I think it's official: my Brooks is finally broken in.
This is good news, but you posted last September that you had over 500 miles on the Brooks. Did it take an additional 10 months to get it broken in? How many miles altogether?
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Originally Posted by zoste View Post
This is good news, but you posted last September that you had over 500 miles on the Brooks. Did it take an additional 10 months to get it broken in? How many miles altogether?
To clarify: I removed the Brooks from my Surly Big Dummy, swapping it for a Selle San-Atomica saddle (instant comfort) and shelved the Brooks. But after reinstalling the Brooks (on the Trucker) and putting another...175+ miles on it, it's finally feeling great. So, approximately 700 miles to break it in.

Sorry to be confusing.

My only concern at this point are a couple of dry spots on the leather. Not sure why. Rubbed from Proofide on it this weekend. Still looks very dry...
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OK - gotcha...

So, do you still have the SA on the Dummy? After a few hundred miles my Selle Anatomica sagged so badly that it was no longer comfortable. Unfortunately, I bought it from an eBay vendor so there's no warranty. However, I liked the saddle so much that I sent the Brooks to them.
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Yeah, my SA is still on there. Sorry to hear yours isn't holding up!
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I think the eBay vendor probably sold me a standard version when I thought I was buying the clyde version. Not the saddle's fault, and not Monarch McLaren's fault. I loved the thing enough that I continue to recommend them to others.
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It appears from what your saying you need a narrow like the B17 narrow model.

How long have you had it? if you rode on for less then 800 miles then it's not broken in yet. If you haven't applied any Proofide on it yet then do so now on both top and bottom side.

DO NOT RIDE IT IN THE RAIN, as one poster suggested, unless you wish to ruin the saddle and void your warranty. DO NOT USE ANY OTHER PRODUCT LIKE OIL OR? Especially oil! Use only Proofide during the warranty period or your warranty will be voided.

This is a letter I received from Brooks in regards to a similar question:

Hello Froze:

Thanks for writing to Brooks

You should NEVER deliberately wet your saddle, you should NEVER use OIL and you should NEVER decrease the tension in the leather.

Any such tinkering with your saddle is not only risks ruining your saddle, but it also invalidates the 2 year Brooks warranty.

The correct method of breaking-in the saddle is....................... to ride on it........... that's it..........simple.

Here is my official advice:-

Breaking-in of the saddle will occur naturally just from you riding on it. Unless you have some pain from your saddle, then I would continue to ride and not worry too much about. Long distance rides are better when you are breaking-in the saddle as the warmth from your body will help.

In terms of maintenance of your saddle, there are two important issues:-

1/ Brooks Proofide Dressing

The PRIMARY function of Proofide is to maintain suppleness in the leather and to prevent it from drying out. For this purpose, you should not need to apply Proofide until 6 months down the line and approximately every 6 months thereafter. The application should be a light coating and should be left for a couple of hours to allow penetration through the material, before buffing off with a soft cloth.

I, personally, would not apply Proofide for any other reason than this. Applying too much Proofide, or applying Proofide too frequently, can make the leather "over soft"--- leading to (at best) to sagging and (at worst) a complete collapse of the leather.

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I do know that many people apply Proofide to a new saddle to help with the "Breaking-in" process and, indeed, this is mentioned even in some Brooks publications. My advice to you is to do this ONLY if you are feeling some considerable discomfort from riding your new saddle ----- if you go for this, then only give one application of moderate to high dosage and leave overnight before removing.

A light application on the underside of the leather can also been useful as a water repellent.... leave this Proofide on (do not wipe it off).

2/ Leather Tension

The tension is factory set and should be good for around the first 6 months of use.

Brooks recommend that you visually inspect your saddle every 6 months for signs that the leather has begun to sag, or that sit bone indentations are appearing or deepening on the top of the leather surface.

If your answer is NO, then do nothing

If your answer is YES, then give the Tension Pin a 1/4 turn in a clockwise direction (when viewed from the front) - remember that the Nut should be moving down the Tension Pin towards the rear of the saddle.

Whichever option you choose, you should then wait another 6 months and repeat the process.

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Old 07-20-09, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by froze View Post
It appears from what your saying you need a narrow like the B17 narrow model.

How long have you had it? if you rode on for less then 800 miles then it's not broken in yet. If you haven't applied any Proofide on it yet then do so now on both top and bottom side.

DO NOT RIDE IT IN THE RAIN, as one poster suggested, unless you wish to ruin the saddle and void your warranty. DO NOT USE ANY OTHER PRODUCT LIKE OIL OR? Especially oil! Use only Proofide during the warranty period or your warranty will be voided.

This is a letter I received from Brooks in regards to a similar question:

Hello Froze:

Thanks for writing to Brooks

You should NEVER deliberately wet your saddle, you should NEVER use OIL and you should NEVER decrease the tension in the leather.

Any such tinkering with your saddle is not only risks ruining your saddle, but it also invalidates the 2 year Brooks warranty.

The correct method of breaking-in the saddle is....................... to ride on it........... that's it..........simple.

Here is my official advice:-

Breaking-in of the saddle will occur naturally just from you riding on it. Unless you have some pain from your saddle, then I would continue to ride and not worry too much about. Long distance rides are better when you are breaking-in the saddle as the warmth from your body will help.

In terms of maintenance of your saddle, there are two important issues:-

1/ Brooks Proofide Dressing

The PRIMARY function of Proofide is to maintain suppleness in the leather and to prevent it from drying out. For this purpose, you should not need to apply Proofide until 6 months down the line and approximately every 6 months thereafter. The application should be a light coating and should be left for a couple of hours to allow penetration through the material, before buffing off with a soft cloth.

I, personally, would not apply Proofide for any other reason than this. Applying too much Proofide, or applying Proofide too frequently, can make the leather "over soft"--- leading to (at best) to sagging and (at worst) a complete collapse of the leather.

-------------------------------------

I do know that many people apply Proofide to a new saddle to help with the "Breaking-in" process and, indeed, this is mentioned even in some Brooks publications. My advice to you is to do this ONLY if you are feeling some considerable discomfort from riding your new saddle ----- if you go for this, then only give one application of moderate to high dosage and leave overnight before removing.

A light application on the underside of the leather can also been useful as a water repellent.... leave this Proofide on (do not wipe it off).

2/ Leather Tension

The tension is factory set and should be good for around the first 6 months of use.

Brooks recommend that you visually inspect your saddle every 6 months for signs that the leather has begun to sag, or that sit bone indentations are appearing or deepening on the top of the leather surface.

If your answer is NO, then do nothing

If your answer is YES, then give the Tension Pin a 1/4 turn in a clockwise direction (when viewed from the front) - remember that the Nut should be moving down the Tension Pin towards the rear of the saddle.

Whichever option you choose, you should then wait another 6 months and repeat the process.

Best Regards


Steve Green
A bit strident and fundamentalist, aren't we?

Read the reviews on BF from people who have used the Sheldon method. Search Brooks and Sheldon or Neats Foot Oil. Who are you going to believe, Brooks or Sheldon?
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In my experience Brooks saddles get more comfortable with use, but if it's not somewhat comfortable from the get-go, it will probably never be all that comfortable. This is based on three different Brooks saddles I've owned. My B17 was immediately comfortable and after 2,000 - 3,000 miles it's better than ever. I rode a 600k on it a month ago and my butt was never an issue. I've also owned a Team Pro and a Swift. Both were uncomfortable from the beginning, and after 1,000 miles on each of them, they still weren't comfortable. Life's too short to have to wait more than 1,000 miles for a saddle to get broken in.
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Originally Posted by RFC View Post
A bit strident and fundamentalist, aren't we?

Read the reviews on BF from people who have used the Sheldon method. Search Brooks and Sheldon or Neats Foot Oil. Who are you going to believe, Brooks or Sheldon?
So you would rather believe someone who never made saddles vs someone who makes them? You would rather believe a bike rider and a mechanic who rode bikes for 50 years or so vs a company who specializes in leather saddles for over 100 years?

Ok, I'm stident and a fundamentalist, but at least I'm not a fool!
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Originally Posted by froze View Post
So you would rather believe someone who never made saddles vs someone who makes them? You would rather believe a bike rider and a mechanic who rode bikes for 50 years or so vs a company who specializes in leather saddles for over 100 years?

Ok, I'm stident and a fundamentalist, but at least I'm not a fool!
Actually, if religiously do what a saddle manufacturer tells you to do, you are a tool, not a fool.
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Originally Posted by RFC View Post
Actually, if religiously do what a saddle manufacturer tells you to do, you are a tool, not a fool.
Ok then, I'm a tool. But I still stand by what Brooks said and not what some bike forum member said. I know too many people that ruined Brooks saddles because they listen to this person or that person on how to treat a leather saddle, and Sheldon Brown method's destroyed more then couple that I know of. The saddles weren't destroyed instantly by the way, but it took about a year for the saddles to stretch so much that the rivet holes enlarged and tore, retensioning the saddles frequently because they sagged too much until there was no more tensioning room left for the spanner to take up thus the saddle was ruined.

But hey, if you have Brooks and feel like you should practice something different then what Brooks says to do then go for it, it's not my saddle so I don't have to worry about the consequences of any damage if any; I'm just trying to help those who want to be helped to prevent that headache.
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Originally Posted by froze View Post
Ok then, I'm a tool. But I still stand by what Brooks said and not what some bike forum member said. I know too many people that ruined Brooks saddles because they listen to this person or that person on how to treat a leather saddle, and Sheldon Brown method's destroyed more then couple that I know of. The saddles weren't destroyed instantly by the way, but it took about a year for the saddles to stretch so much that the rivet holes enlarged and tore, retensioning the saddles frequently because they sagged too much until there was no more tensioning room left for the spanner to take up thus the saddle was ruined.

But hey, if you have Brooks and feel like you should practice something different then what Brooks says to do then go for it, it's not my saddle so I don't have to worry about the consequences of any damage if any; I'm just trying to help those who want to be helped to prevent that headache.
Chill. You are strung up far too tight and need to relax. Get a hobby.

BTW, did you notice on the Brooks website that the company recommends using Proofhide as a substitute to Butt Butter. That way you can protect your soft parts and condition your saddle at the same time. Why don't you try it out and let us know how it works.
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Originally Posted by RFC View Post
A bit strident and fundamentalist, aren't we?

Read the reviews on BF from people who have used the Sheldon method. Search Brooks and Sheldon or Neats Foot Oil. Who are you going to believe, Brooks or Sheldon?
I'm with froze on this one.

After having the stitching tear though the leather on a couple pairs of boots which were treated with Neatsfoot, I gave up on the stuff. I've got a pair I've treated with Obenauf's LP (essentially the same as Proofide) which I've had for over 15 years.
Sheldon was a brilliant rider, mechanic and advocate, but even the demi-gods have their faults: I believe Sheldon's was soaking leather saddles in Neatsfoot oil. Lon Haldeman is rumoured to have soaked his Brooks in 30-weight motor oil... It doesn't mean I'm going to try that, either.
Another concern with Neatsfoot oil is oxidation. The oxidative breakdown of Neatsfoot oil can leave leather in a worse condition, specifically brittle, than previous to treatment. Proofide (and other waxes like Sno-Seal or Obenauf's) don't have this issue.
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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
I'm with froze on this one.
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Add me as well!

I own several Brooks that I treated with nothing but Proofide, one of the saddles is about 20 years old and still going strong. However I wasn't always smart enough to follow Brooks advice. My first Brooks saddle lasted only 2 years, why? Because I listened to some know it all and treated it with Neetsoil-2 years later it was goodbye saddle! Like an idiot that I was back then I thought the Brooks was a poorly constructed saddle and that's why it didn't last long, so I didn't buy another for 15 years and endured the butt pain of various foam padded plastic brick saddles. Then I was talking to long time tourer and he told me to try the Brooks again except don't listen to the other idiots about how to treat the saddle just use Proofide as Brooks instructs, I did and now that saddle is the 20 some odd year old saddle I mentioned earlier.

Like Froze said, listen to Brooks and be guaranteed satisfaction or someone else and hope for the best.

And RFC, your way out of line. Your one of those know it all smart pants who goes around telling others to chill and wear lose fitting undergarments...I think your the one who needs another hobby besides wondering what undergarments one wears and then wants to know how the butt butter feels on their soft parts!!!!

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Add me as well!

I own several Brooks that I treated with nothing but Proofide, one of the saddles is about 20 years old and still going strong. However I wasn't always smart enough to follow Brooks advice. My first Brooks saddle lasted only 2 years, why? Because I listened to some know it all and treated it with Neetsoil-2 years later it was goodbye saddle! Like an idiot that I was back then I thought the Brooks was a poorly constructed saddle and that's why it didn't last long, so I didn't buy another for 15 years and endured the butt pain of various foam padded plastic brick saddles. Then I was talking to long time tourer and he told me to try the Brooks again except don't listen to the other idiots about how to treat the saddle just use Proofide as Brooks instructs, I did and now that saddle is the 20 some odd year old saddle I mentioned earlier.

Like Froze said, listen to Brooks and be guaranteed satisfaction or someone else and hope for the best.

And RFC, your way out of line. Your one of those know it all smart pants who goes around telling others to chill and wear lose fitting undergarments...I think your the one who needs another hobby besides wondering what undergarments one wears and then wants to know how the butt butter feels on their soft parts!!!!
I'm with Froze, too. Brooks hasn't been in the business for over 100 years for nothing. Sheldon was a smart guy with a big heart for all cyclists, and a strong love for learning what's right and teaching it. He rarely mis-stepped, but I believe in this area he did. Plus if Brooks has a guarantee, and Harris does not have its own supplemental guarantee covering Sheldon's recommendations, and it's my $150, I go with Brooks.

BTW Freako, in science, it's hypothesis/theory, not theory/law. The strongest statements science can make (which are all theories) are subject to being set aside when adequately strong evidence is presented and accepted. Theories are not accepted as part of the body of knowledge until they are tested repeatedly by multiple methods and in multiple ways over time. They are very very strong statements. When their applicability and predictive value have been shown to be always reliable over time, they are sometimes thought of as law, but they are still subject to being disproven.

Hypothesis in contrast is an idea that someone thinks might be an explanation of some observed phenomenon or occurence in the world. It doesn't need to have been tested. Proving a hypothesis or a theory is essentially impossible, because to do so one must show that there can never be any exception to the rule, and to prove THAT is logically impossible. Until a person who creates a hypothesis performs some testing to verify the hypothosis, believing it is just a matter of faith. A modest person would not believe all his own hypotheses.

A theory isn't shot down just because someone says "it might have happenned this other way ... " That alternative hypothesis is just a hypothesis, and it's inventor needs to show why it's better than the existing theory, i.e. why it provides more explanation or insight into why things happen the way they do, than the existing theory does.

Sorry for the non-Brooks rant.
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This is a great post. OK so here's my take on it. I've used the oil/sheldon method. It works and works fast. And your seat is comfy in a few weeks, rather than a few years. But it does void the warranty, which is true, because it may take a few years off of its life (I'll let you know when mine dies). But I void the warranty on all my products (My phone, my Wii, my Xbox...my car , and most the time the manufacturer looses. If you're a commuter with a 2mile commute how long would it take me to break this thing in? FOREVER? Has anyone considered that? If you don't ride a million miles your brooks is going to hurt your ass for a long time...long enough that you'll never use it. So...I cheated and I would do it again. Another thing...to think about. Brooks is a company they sell proofide, not oil, if they sold oil, they'd change their warranty. Sometimes you make trade offs, and some of us have chosen some saddle life for comfort. Who knows how long that saddle life is...while one person says two years, that may be an outlier...So...it works and it voids the warranty and it may reduce the life...but it works and if you're going to throw your brooks in the closet forever..go ahead and use oil...what do you have to lose?
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Wow, a flamewar in the LD forum. Over Brooks Vs Sheldon Brown.

Another sign of the oncoming Apocalypse, or just a midsummer lull in the brevet season?
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