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Old 09-17-08, 08:06 AM   #1
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1000km or not?

This would be a question for those of you who have done a 1200km brevet. Next year will be the Vancouver island 1200, so I thought what better way to do my first ultra event then one that starts almost two blocks from house.

But I can't figure out if I should do a 1000km before hand or not. The 1000 that runs here would be the same route less 200km's.

Any help or insight might be appreciated.
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Are you sure the Van Isle 1,200 will be in 2009? If it were to go on the same schedule as last time would it not be in 2010?

I hope you are right, because if it is in 2009 – my wife and I are riding it! We rode the Tortoise and Hare 1000 but missed the 1,200 due to scheduling issues. The year we rode the 1,000 was a little wet for us… but we had a great time.

As to your question, if you can do a 1,000 you can do 1,200 and you will learn about the same amount from either ride. Personally would not try and ride a 1,000 and then a 1,200 in the same year. The first year out as it takes a while to recover from these longer rides and if you suffer some sort of injury you are likely to blow you chance for that year to finish a 1,200. Many people will encounter either hand, neck or knee issues on the longer rides for the first time and if you don’t give yourself time to recover while you figure out how to avoid these problems you will likely DNF the 1,200 if it is not long after the 1,000.

Just ride the 1,200.
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Thanks for the reply.

Yes Vancouver island can be very wet! epsically the north end of the island. I am pretty sure that it will be happening in 2009. I was speaking with one of the route coordinaters today on a group ride and he did say that it was likley going to be happening. It will be more up to the cycling phenom "ken Bonner" as to it going on or it as it is his baby.

As to the 1000km I had kind of thought that myself but I guess just getting in as many 300km's, 400km's and maybe a 600km or two before attemping the 1200km would be enough prep.
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i've often wondered about the jump from 600-1200k; it's quite the leap!! but the 600 must be enough to prepare us for 1000/1200's, or they'd have an 800k brevet too.

btw, isn't ken bonner the guy who puts on the 2,000k Ulitmate Island Explorer brevet?! that's one i'd love to work up to some day.. that guy sounds crazy, but in a good, rando, way.
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btw, isn't ken bonner the guy who puts on the 2,000k Ulitmate Island Explorer brevet?! that's one i'd love to work up to some day.. that guy sounds crazy, but in a good, rando, way.
Yes, and he runs Hell Week on Vancouver Island, which I attempted unsuccessfully (a bad accident put an end to that series). Ken is a great guy ... and an incredible cyclist!


And yes, if you've got an opportunity to ride a 1000K go for it! I like the 1000K distance better than 600K or 1200K.
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The 2000km was a one off shot only be done once in a blue moon. It was last done 8 years ago for the 2000 year roll over.
Yah Ken really is incredible guy and an unstopable riding force. ken also is one of the most giving gives with his time and will not hesitate to dispense pearls of wisdom. Machka or Matt M. are you going to come to Vancouver island and do any brevets next year?
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The 2000km was a one off shot only be done once in a blue moon. It was last done 8 years ago for the 2000 year roll over.
Yah Ken really is incredible guy and an unstopable riding force. ken also is one of the most giving gives with his time and will not hesitate to dispense pearls of wisdom. Machka or Matt M. are you going to come to Vancouver island and do any brevets next year?
I would love to, but I'm not sure yet.
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It does seem like doing a 1000km brevet in prep for a 1200km might be over doing it. I was speaking to a cycling coach today and she thought that the 600km would be enough.
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Yeah, but doing a 1000K this year, and a 1200K next year is a good way to prepare for the 1200K. If you did a 1000K 3 weeks before doing a 1200K ... that might be overdoing it.

You see, there's a lot more to preparing for a 1200K than just the cycling part. There's all the nutritional, psychological, emotional, mental, etc. stuff too. If you do a 1000K this year, and you have a meltdown in the middle ... and get through it, or not, you'll feel more prepared for a similar situation on a 1200K.
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Hmmmm.... well that is sound logic for this year to do a 1000km. I don't think I will be able to squeeze that in. Especially if I have not done a 600km yet either. I was more wondering about doing a 1000km even a couple of months before the 1200km.
The 1000km route would be nice to do this year as it would give a real good idea as to what to expecte route wise and conditions on the 1200, but with fall coming I think it's time to spend some time with the family get ready to move our house, then begin building my base mileage back up in Novemebr.

Machka if you want to come and do any Vancouver island brevets my wife, son and myslelf would be more than happy to put a randonneur.
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The 1000k is a really nice distance for a long brevet, and there are many of them every year around North America. I completed three of them (one as back to back 600/400 brevets) and I highly recommend them. Not as a ride to prepare for a 1200k, but as a great ride in itself. I like 1000k brevets so much that I am organizing a very scenic loop 1000k through some of the best riding in Oregon next year.

But a 1000k brevet is also a great preparation to a 1200k for several reasons.

On a 600k that starts at sunrise, you will ride at the most through one night. On a 1000k starting at the same time, you may need to ride most of the night for three consecutive nights, the same as a 1200k. Some of the faster riders may not need the third night, but slow pokes like me do. Can you find the energy to keep going after the third night in a row with 2 hours of sleep? You may find out on a 1000k brevet.

Your food and drink strategy may work well for the first two days of riding, but not work at all on day 3 and 4. I have seen people do well on one kind of liquid diet for two days and be forced to switch to something completely different after that. I have even seen someone swap saddles in the middle of a 1000k.

This said, only a very small number of riders that complete a 1200k have ever attempted or completed a 1000k brevet, so it is clearly not necessary.
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