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Old 06-09-11, 10:10 PM
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Are we going back to steel? Looks like it's a possibility-

https://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/flashsteel.htm
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I'm not aware that lack of steel strength has really been an issue in the bicycle world.
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I'm not aware that lack of steel strength has really been an issue in the bicycle world.
If you can make a steel tubeset for a bicycle that is 7% stronger then you can cut down the amount of steel in that tubeset by 7%. This puts the ultalight steel tubeset in the range of titanium and aluminum tubesets as far as weight while still giving the ride qualities of steel. So yeah, it could make a difference, but it will take years before this gets to the consumer market .
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I see an increase in ultimate strength compared to what the the current crop of advanced steels have as being relatively unimportant to the bike world because issues like dent/buckling resistance and frame stiffness often end up ruling the day on the final tube design anyway.
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Induction has been used to quickly heat treat steel at high temperatures for many decades;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:In...ing_of_bar.jpg
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Interesting article. I wonder if the process can remain cost effective while being implemented in the scale associated with manufacturing bicycling frame tubing. The way I understand the article, there are additional qualities beyond weight or strength this treatment affords.

I doubt a new tube-set would displace the "carbon-fiber market" - but it sound like it could certainly displace current high-end steel or titanium usage.

I'm not an expert, but my experience suggests many geeks still believe "steel is real."
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"I'm not an expert, but my experience suggests many geeks still believe "steel is real."

I just talked to fred,and he approves this statement.
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I never left steel, didn't see any need.

I was a weight weenie when I was much younger. I studied carbon fiber as an undergrad back in the '80s. Unfortunately, I let an engineering prof talk me out of trying to build bike frames out of it back then.
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Check out the Indy Fab "Lightweight
Steel." The one I test rode was competitive weight-wise with my CF Synapse.
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Originally Posted by Waxbytes
If you can make a steel tubeset for a bicycle that is 7% stronger then you can cut down the amount of steel in that tubeset by 7%. This puts the ultalight steel tubeset in the range of titanium and aluminum tubesets as far as weight while still giving the ride qualities of steel. So yeah, it could make a difference, but it will take years before this gets to the consumer market .
I would guess that with the steel frames on the market now, you can already get steel that is more than 7% stronger than 90% or more of them. It's not like every steel frame currently made is made out of the strongest steel known to man.
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stainless stain (like reynolds 953) is pretty much the bee's knees.
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