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View Poll Results: When you moved your cleats back, did you move your saddle forward?
I ride with my cleats in the standard 'forward' position or don't ride with cleats
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I kept my saddle where it was - KOPS all the way
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I moved my saddle forward, keeping my knees over the balls of my feet.
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Set-back Cleat Position and KOPS

Old 02-22-12, 10:30 AM
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Set-back Cleat Position and KOPS

Some long-distance cyclists (and, for different reasons, triathletes) set their cleat position on their cycling shoes further back than the standard 'under the ball of your foot' position.

If you do that, do you adjust your saddle further forward?

That is... do you keep your saddle where it was, maintaining 'Knees Over Pedal Spine'?

Do you move your saddle forward to keep your knees over the ball of your foot?

Something in between?

Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but it seems to me the important positioning is your saddle to your foot, not your saddle to your pedal - and if you move your foot, you should also move your pedal. KOPS assumes you have the ball of your foot over the pedal spindle, and KOPS just sounds nicer than KOBOF (Knees Over Ball Of Foot).
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d the cleats back and didn't worry about the saddle. I have know idea where my nee is with respect to the pedal.
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My cleats are all the way back. My saddle is firmly under my butt. I ride a bent.
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You might need to lower your saddle very slightly. That might also have the effect of moving it forward.
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Richard -

One of the greatest American long-distance riders, Lon Haldeman, moved his cleats WELL back on his shoes to solve a persistent hot-foot issue -- he did that back in the 80's. He is still doing same on occasion for cyclists doing his PacTour ... tours. I've never seen him mention moving his saddle position because of changing the cleat position.

I moved my cleats as far back as I could (without drilling new holes -- Lon often drills new holes MUCH further back); never gave one thought to the saddle because of the cleat position. Helped solve my hot-foot issue.

Over-thinking? ... You? ... Never.

Btw, I'm going to "open" my "Warrenton - Egypt Mtn" permanent on Saturday, March 3rd. Not as hilly as Byron's "L-L-L"; not as flat as MikeD's "Showdown in Black Creek"; probably similar to MikeD's "Kerr Lake Loop". Come on up and spend the day. Look for the e-mail to the NC-rando-list-serve.

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I moved my saddle forward for different reasons, in particular I wanted to put my saddle higher. I have always had my saddle all the way back on the rails and my cleats all the way back. I was having problems spinning in that position, and found that moving forward and higher (pretty much required to move them together) fixed this problem.

I have no idea where this falls relative to the kops -- kops is widely disregarded by almost everyone that fits bikes.
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Originally Posted by skiffrun
Btw, I'm going to "open" my "Warrenton - Egypt Mtn" permanent on Saturday, March 3rd. Not as hilly as Byron's "L-L-L"; not as flat as MikeD's "Showdown in Black Creek"; probably similar to MikeD's "Kerr Lake Loop". Come on up and spend the day. Look for the e-mail to the NC-rando-list-serve.

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I use something like this on my touring and hybrid.
https://www.sportsmith.net/ItemForm.a...xersize+pedals

It provides a large platform for my feet . I take out the counter weight and put i just enough weight to give it neutral balance
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Cleats drilled out, slammed back, and have no idea where me knee is in relation to the pedals.
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I voted "KOPS all the way" even though that's just a statement of what actually seems to work for me, not a statement of belief about what should work.

For me, when my saddle is back pretty-much to the limit, it turns out that that is the most comfortable position, and it also turns out that it puts my knee over the pedal spindle (maybe a couple mm behind). I've tried moving my saddle forward and up, maintaining a constant distance from sit-bones to cleat. I've done this thinking it'll give me more power and help me spin and also put the saddle closer to the center of its rails, so less stress on the rails or saddle clamp. But every time I've done that, my knee starts aching and I've moved back again.
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Voted 1: I no longer use clipless, platforms no straps for me. Saddle as far back as possible to distribute weight off of wrists.
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Set-back Cleat Position and KOPS

When moving the cleats back, you also want to lower your seat.

You might want to read this:

https://https://www.stevehoggbikefitti...leat-position/
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I pretty much keep my saddle where it is. I don't do KOPS, rather I try to adjust my center of gravity relative to the BB so I don't fall forward or backward, and don't have high hand pressure

I was afraid I'd have one of those long, elaborate essays this time.

I'm always making small adjustments to fine-tune it.
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Saddle all the way back, cleats back too, pretty much ignore KOPS (in actual fact i think my knee must be a cm or two behind the spindle). this cleat position seems to work well for my knees and having the saddle back there lets me stretch out without putting too much weight on my wrists.
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