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Old 03-22-18, 09:19 AM   #11151
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@Racer Ex, nice bling collection. Be sure to ask for your surgical staples in a to-go bag too.
@Hermes, I am all about the glute. Maybe I should take up golf?! Nah between cycling & sailing I already have too many time-consuming, expensive hobbies.
What I find interesting is that cyclists think that they have strong leg and glute muscles. In general, they have disproportionately strong quad muscles and weaker glute muscles. They become quad centric.

As the glutes weaken and the neurological importance of the glutes lessons, the back muscles do more work such that every pedal stroke when the quad fires requires a contraction in the back. That contraction should not happen if the glutes are working properly according to my PT.

I thought that having ones chiropractor at the driving range to work on posture and make adjustments during practice was very pro.

The other thing I did yesterday was use some of the mental techniques set forth in the Brave Athlete. I am reading that book again. I like the way the author models the workings of the brain into the chimp, computer and professor and then discusses the use and interplay between the different parts of the brain.

Execution of the golf swing is all about the computer brain. I have a script in my brain for the swing and my brain knows what to do assuming I let it and do not allow my chimp or professor brain to muck it up. The practice range is the place to break down the swing by using the professor brain and via repetition change the script in the computer brain.

I see a lot of similarities with time trials. One wants ones brain to execute a script and one lives in the moment as the script runs without the chimp or professor screwing it up. The chimp is so powerful that it can easily take over from visual or audible cues and run another script or just plain ruin everything via flooding the system with emotions of doubt and pain and run the script of how poorly one did when one felt this bad or we are just too old to do this sport anymore.

We desperately need the chimp to keep us alive and maintain the species but it can definitely muck up a golf game or time trial when its services are not needed.
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Old 03-22-18, 10:09 AM   #11152
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What I find interesting is that cyclists think that they have strong leg and glute muscles. In general, they have disproportionately strong quad muscles and weaker glute muscles. They become quad centric.
What do you base this comment on?

The hamstrings and glutes are muscles the extend the hip and flex the knee, which are huge aspects of the pedal stroke. Definitely my perception is that on the TT bike in particular, I am working/using glutes and hamstrings even more than on the road bike. I base this on where I feel sore afterwards. I could buy that sore hamstrings could relate to tight hamstrings (rather than strong ones developed because you're working them) but glute soreness seems to me to correlate with working/building glutes on the bike.

I rarely feel sore quads- of course maybe this is because my quads are so much stronger/better developed. But I also think sometimes its a bit of an optical illusion to look at my legs and see quads and conclude: "my quads are my best muscle". I think some of this relates to the fact that the quads are big muscles that sit in the front of your body and aren't surrounded by fat in a lot of people. So they are visually obvious. Vs glutes which are big muscles surrounded by fat even in skinny ass people. And the hamstrings are just narrower, more linear muscles.

This stuff could be better defined with Electromyographic recruitment pattern testing, and likely it has. But then I guess the other question would be- if the quads generate more force than the calf muscles say, does that mean that they are "strong" and the calf muscles are "weak" with the resultant corrective action being to work the calf muscles? I would say no, of course the quads generate more force, that is a much bigger muscle group and it should generate more force.

Tl/dr- mostly just want to know why you say cyclists have weak glutes.
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I heard about a rumor that the UCI is going to change the format for masters athletes for Track Worlds this year. Basically no 500M TT or 2K pursuit. Men will do a 4K and kilo, and the women really get hosed by only having a 3K pursuit. They do get to have four person team pursuit, over a 4K distance.

I HOPE this isn't true!!!!
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Old 04-01-18, 11:50 PM   #11154
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So.

We're heading down to the Bay Area to visit family and pick up my niece for a trip to Disneyworld. An hour in I realize I left my wallet at the house. Discussion ensues. I have my passport so we continue our journey. Coming down out of the Sierras Mrs. Ex is driving the minivan when a big rig decides to change lanes from the right lane into our lane. Problem is we're halfway up the trailer in the lane that he's moving into.

The laws of physics says that two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time.

We have a good 10-15 seconds of fun as we get hit, get driven into the center barrier, then start getting squeezed. Windshield starts cracking, interesting sounds, then we get spit out the back and are free.



Long story ensues. Bottom line the van is probably totaled, though outwardly looks far better than it should. We shall see.



Getting on a plane tomorrow. What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 04-02-18, 04:07 AM   #11155
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@racerEx - Glad you're okay! I sure hope you've worn out your bad luck streak.
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Watch out for the alligators at Disneyworld, @Racer Ex
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Glad you and the wifey came out unscathed.
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That was Three of Three, right? You're now past it!
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Broken ribs suck. Just so you know.

This forum used to be SO vital. Lots of activity, discussions, camaraderie, advice, race reports, yays, nays....and it's just died.

What happened?
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Old 04-11-18, 05:59 PM   #11160
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Injury and retirement here, but recovery-mode doesn't make for lively posting.
However I have:

Reached Level 40 on Fallout 4 for Xbox1
Finished a 750 of Knob Creek Rye Whiskey
Practiced Charlie Chaplin's cane-twirling routine for hours
Re-read D.T. Sukuki's "Zen and Japanese Culture"
Rode an hour at 70-80 RPM in 54-63" gears w/o pain today (so far)

PS: Take those broken ribs very seriously ( as they will remind you to do on their own).
I did not much to my regret these many years on....

Be well, keep posting.

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What happened?
Same thing as whatís going on with bike racing in real life- itís shrinking. People have exited this forum due to injury, retirement from the sport, death, and they are not being replaced by newer people.

Thereís also a wane in interest in forums as a means of online communication. FB, Instagram, Snapchat are more popular these days.

Personally I think having 50 subforums accelerates the decline of forums. Do we really need separate forums for recreational road cycling, young racers, old racers, really young racers, track racers, mountain bike racers, etc? Makes subforums seem ďdead,Ē which doesnít exactly foster participation. At some point if you keep posting to a forum with little participation, it just starts to seem narcissistic. Thatís what happened to me in this forum.

Then thereís the sense of obligation to participate in something just to prevent it from dying. Thatís a lot of unnecessary pressure/obligation. At some point you have to recognize that if something is trying to die, itís maybe better to make peace with that than try to ďsaveĒ it on your own. Otherwise youíre perpetually pulling your hair out over something you canít realistically change.

Just my take on it.
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I think you're spot on right. I hate to see this forum die. I'll keep posting, in the hopes that as the season starts to awaken, maybe the threads will, too. Honestly, there are very few forums in the overall Bike Forums where I'm comfortable. This is the only one where I can be myself and feel as if I can say something and not be either misunderstood or something else. I'm active on the track forum, yes, but I do more reading than writing. Very, very few women post there, and it can get lonely.

Anyway...

Thanks for your input. It was sage, as always.

By the way. Norco is evil. I only took it for four days, and I spent the whole day yesterday in withdrawals from it. Today I'm fine, my head is clear, and tylenol is keeping the rib (and other) pain at bay nicely. I'm on track, it appears, to pick things up again starting Tuesday. Fingers and toes crossed!
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I'm going to try a trainer spin tomorrow. I'm taking tylenol when things start to get out of hand pain wise, but that's become maybe once a day. I tried to stop any meds at all yesterday, and that didn't work out so well. If I feel good in the morning, and things go well as the day progresses, I'll put my Look on my trainer (NOT rollers) and give it a try.

I hope I can!
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Two days of trainer spins. The first day was just a joy, and my legs got going, I feel the circulation coming back. It was really good, even though it was very light.

Today I tried a few different things, and the tools are all there. There may not even be much rust on them. My cardio has taken a hit, I'm swollen, still, and I'm up eight pounds. The ribs tolerated most of what I did, except for coming OTS. They don't like that.

I'm encouraged!
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Sara - so glad you’re doing better! A wounded beast is still a beast!
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