What does your race schedule look like?
02-19-06, 06:57 AM
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I'm just kind of curious what everyone's race schedule looks like for the upcoming season. How many are you planning on doing?
Here is mine so far. I hope to add another three or four road races and a couple of more mountain bike races. I would really like to be able to include a NORBA race as well.
Feb 25 - Croton, OH Road Race - 1st place (cat 5)
Feb 26 – Mentor - Maysvile Road Race, Maysville, KY - 3rd place (cat 5)
March 3 - LaGrange, KY Road Race - dnf (cat 5, rode in ambulance with a friend that crashed in race)
March 12 - Morrow, OH Road Race - 3rd place (cat 5)
March 19 - St Leon, IN Road Race - 2nd place (cat 5)
March 25 - Mid Ohio Tour, Lexington, OH Road race - 3rd place (cat 5)
March 26 - Hueston Woods, College Corner, OH Road Race - 11th place (cat 5, had teamate in solo breakaway)
April 2 – Mt. Sterling, OH Road Race - top 20 (cat 4)
April 23 - Challenge at Mountwood, Mountwood Park, Waverly WV - dnf (sport, pedal came off, didn't have correct tool)
April 30 - Big Bear, Hazelton, WV - 2nd place (sport 18 - 34)
May 7 - Henry Clay 40K,Cooper's Rock Sate Park, WV - 3rd place (sport 18 - 34)
May 14 - Tour of Tomilson, Tomilson State Park, WV - 5th place (sport 18 - 34, had a flat)
May 21 - Tour de Lake, Charles Fork Park, Spencer, WV - 3rd place (sport 18-34)
May 28 - Race the Trace, Little Creek Park, South Charleston, WV - 9th place (sport 18 - 34, blew up!)
June 4 - Revenge of the Rattlesnake, Davis, WV - 5th place (sport)
June 17 & 18 - Appalachian Classic, Grantsville, WV
June 21 - June 25 - Slatyfork Shuffle, WV MTB Gathering
July 30 - Little Beaver State Park, Beaver, WV
Aug 6 - Lake Hope, near Athens, OH
Aug 27 - New River Bike Fest, Ace Adventure Center, Oak Hill, WV
Oct 1 - Dirt Derby, Barboursville Park, Barboursville, WV
Here is mine so far. I hope to add another three or four road races and a couple of more mountain bike races. I would really like to be able to include a NORBA race as well.
Feb 25 - Croton, OH Road Race - 1st place (cat 5)
Feb 26 – Mentor - Maysvile Road Race, Maysville, KY - 3rd place (cat 5)
March 3 - LaGrange, KY Road Race - dnf (cat 5, rode in ambulance with a friend that crashed in race)
March 12 - Morrow, OH Road Race - 3rd place (cat 5)
March 19 - St Leon, IN Road Race - 2nd place (cat 5)
March 25 - Mid Ohio Tour, Lexington, OH Road race - 3rd place (cat 5)
March 26 - Hueston Woods, College Corner, OH Road Race - 11th place (cat 5, had teamate in solo breakaway)
April 2 – Mt. Sterling, OH Road Race - top 20 (cat 4)
April 23 - Challenge at Mountwood, Mountwood Park, Waverly WV - dnf (sport, pedal came off, didn't have correct tool)
April 30 - Big Bear, Hazelton, WV - 2nd place (sport 18 - 34)
May 7 - Henry Clay 40K,Cooper's Rock Sate Park, WV - 3rd place (sport 18 - 34)
May 14 - Tour of Tomilson, Tomilson State Park, WV - 5th place (sport 18 - 34, had a flat)
May 21 - Tour de Lake, Charles Fork Park, Spencer, WV - 3rd place (sport 18-34)
May 28 - Race the Trace, Little Creek Park, South Charleston, WV - 9th place (sport 18 - 34, blew up!)
June 4 - Revenge of the Rattlesnake, Davis, WV - 5th place (sport)
June 17 & 18 - Appalachian Classic, Grantsville, WV
June 21 - June 25 - Slatyfork Shuffle, WV MTB Gathering
July 30 - Little Beaver State Park, Beaver, WV
Aug 6 - Lake Hope, near Athens, OH
Aug 27 - New River Bike Fest, Ace Adventure Center, Oak Hill, WV
Oct 1 - Dirt Derby, Barboursville Park, Barboursville, WV
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02-19-06, 07:55 AM
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19.03.2006 4th Adana Cup Adana TUR 2 XCO
23.04.2006 1st Galli Polli MTB Cup Gelibolu / Canakkale TUR 2 XCO
14.05.2006 Istanbul Cup Istanbul TUR 2 XCO
28.05.2006 Konya MTB Cup Konya TUR 2 XCO
11.06.2006 7th Cappadocia Stage Race Urgup TUR S2 XCM
25.06.2006 Bolu MTB Cup Bolu TUR 2 XCM
Actually this is not 'my' schedule. They are the UCI races that are going to be around here. I want to race in at least one of those events. But first I want to do a few local races before I participate in bigger events. Who knows, may be I'll hate it
23.04.2006 1st Galli Polli MTB Cup Gelibolu / Canakkale TUR 2 XCO
14.05.2006 Istanbul Cup Istanbul TUR 2 XCO
28.05.2006 Konya MTB Cup Konya TUR 2 XCO
11.06.2006 7th Cappadocia Stage Race Urgup TUR S2 XCM
25.06.2006 Bolu MTB Cup Bolu TUR 2 XCM
Actually this is not 'my' schedule. They are the UCI races that are going to be around here. I want to race in at least one of those events. But first I want to do a few local races before I participate in bigger events. Who knows, may be I'll hate it
02-19-06, 09:29 AM
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Lowcel - we are looking at renting a house at Sugar Mtn NORBA race in June - want a room? So far it's looking like $50 to $75 a head. The house is 1/2 mile from the venue, has parking & a hot tub.......
02-19-06, 09:37 AM
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As soon as I learn a little more about my work schedule (arts and craft festivals) I will know for sure. Do you know the date off the top of your head?
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I just checked the schedule. It is the same weekend as one of our two busiest festivals of the year. We make between $5,000 and $6,000 that weekend. I have to work it.
That festival is the reason I can't do 24 hours of Big Bear this year, which is the same weekend as the NORBA race. Busy weekend.
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I just checked the schedule. It is the same weekend as one of our two busiest festivals of the year. We make between $5,000 and $6,000 that weekend. I have to work it.
That festival is the reason I can't do 24 hours of Big Bear this year, which is the same weekend as the NORBA race. Busy weekend.
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02-19-06, 09:47 AM
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Going to be my first year of doing competitive riding.
Have first XC novice race in March.
2 x 50 KM & one other shorter novice XC events bewteen March & June & may try a 100 in June if all goes well if not will do that one but as a 50KM, havn't looked further that as yet.
No big plans, just see how it goes and get some experience this year - still need to finish the changes to my Bike before the 1st race - it won't be a race machine, but a lot better than what came as stock - if I really like the racing then maybe I will spec even more towards that.
Good Luck for yr season!
Have first XC novice race in March.
2 x 50 KM & one other shorter novice XC events bewteen March & June & may try a 100 in June if all goes well if not will do that one but as a 50KM, havn't looked further that as yet.
No big plans, just see how it goes and get some experience this year - still need to finish the changes to my Bike before the 1st race - it won't be a race machine, but a lot better than what came as stock - if I really like the racing then maybe I will spec even more towards that.
Good Luck for yr season!
02-20-06, 12:28 PM
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ah, I too will be partaking in the WVMBA point series. I've got the following scheduled:
April 23 - Challenge at Mountwood, Mountwwod Park, Waverly WV
April 30 - Big Bear, Hazelton, WV (this is the same venue as Granny Gear's 24 Hours at Big Bear June 11)
May 7 - Henry Clay 40K,Cooper's Rock Sate Park, WV
May 14 - Tour of Tomilson, Tomilson State Park, WV
May 21 - Tour de Lake, Charles Fork Park, Spenser, WV
May 28 - Race the Trace, Little Creek Park, South Charleston, WV
June 17 & 18 - Appalachian Classic, Grantsville, WV
July 30 - Little Beaver State Park, Beaver, WV
Aug 6 - Lake Hope, near Athens, OH
Sept 24 - Black Bear, Kanawha State Forest, Charleston WV
Oct 1 - Dirt Derby, Barboursville Park, Barboursville, WV
Hopefully I won't get any conflicts with my GF's road race (running) schedule. I've been riding for 8 years but just started racing last summer. I found out the hard way that being in good shape is not the same as being in race-shape, so I've been doing some winter training this year.
April 23 - Challenge at Mountwood, Mountwwod Park, Waverly WV
April 30 - Big Bear, Hazelton, WV (this is the same venue as Granny Gear's 24 Hours at Big Bear June 11)
May 7 - Henry Clay 40K,Cooper's Rock Sate Park, WV
May 14 - Tour of Tomilson, Tomilson State Park, WV
May 21 - Tour de Lake, Charles Fork Park, Spenser, WV
May 28 - Race the Trace, Little Creek Park, South Charleston, WV
June 17 & 18 - Appalachian Classic, Grantsville, WV
July 30 - Little Beaver State Park, Beaver, WV
Aug 6 - Lake Hope, near Athens, OH
Sept 24 - Black Bear, Kanawha State Forest, Charleston WV
Oct 1 - Dirt Derby, Barboursville Park, Barboursville, WV
Hopefully I won't get any conflicts with my GF's road race (running) schedule. I've been riding for 8 years but just started racing last summer. I found out the hard way that being in good shape is not the same as being in race-shape, so I've been doing some winter training this year.
02-20-06, 12:55 PM
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kmoses - if you seem me at the races be sure to introduce yourself. I'll be wearing a Massa Winery / Inferno (A&F) racing jersey.
What class will you be in?
What class will you be in?
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02-20-06, 01:08 PM
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will do - I'll be racing sport. I'm easily recognizable on my old school '99 specialized s-works fsr.
02-20-06, 01:31 PM
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I'll look for you. I'll be in the same class as you. I'll be on a black Ellsworth Truth or a black Ellsworth Enlightenment.
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Here is my schedule for the year (a mix of MTB and road):
Sunday, March 26, 2006 Mudslinger Blodget, OR
Saturday, May 06, 2006 Spring Thaw Ashland, OR
Saturday, May 27, 2006 Chainbreaker MTB Challenge Bend, OR
Saturday, June 03, 2006 Picketts Charge MTB Bend, OR
Sunday, June 04, 2006 Humbug Hurry-Up Yreka, CA
Sunday, June 25, 2006 Return on the Jedi Grants Pass, OR
Sunday, July 02, 2006 Outback Challenge Lakeview, OR
Sunday, July 23, 2006 Oakridge Fat Tire Festival Oakridge, OR
Sunday, August 20, 2006 Fall City Firecracker Fall City, OR
March 4th, 11th, & 18th So. Oregon Time Trials Ashland, OR
June 1st to Sep. 7th So. Oregon Thusday Nighters White City, OR
June 13th to July 4th YMCA Series Yreka, CA
Sunday, March 26, 2006 Mudslinger Blodget, OR
Saturday, May 06, 2006 Spring Thaw Ashland, OR
Saturday, May 27, 2006 Chainbreaker MTB Challenge Bend, OR
Saturday, June 03, 2006 Picketts Charge MTB Bend, OR
Sunday, June 04, 2006 Humbug Hurry-Up Yreka, CA
Sunday, June 25, 2006 Return on the Jedi Grants Pass, OR
Sunday, July 02, 2006 Outback Challenge Lakeview, OR
Sunday, July 23, 2006 Oakridge Fat Tire Festival Oakridge, OR
Sunday, August 20, 2006 Fall City Firecracker Fall City, OR
March 4th, 11th, & 18th So. Oregon Time Trials Ashland, OR
June 1st to Sep. 7th So. Oregon Thusday Nighters White City, OR
June 13th to July 4th YMCA Series Yreka, CA
03-07-06, 09:41 AM
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Looks like a pretty full schedule. Good luck!
So far I have three races in, all road. I am very pleased with my results.
Here are links to the race reports. (caution - roadie content)
Race 1 - Croton, OH - 2/25/06
Race 2 - Mentor, KY - 2/26/06
Race 3 - LaGrange, KY - 3/4/06
So far I have three races in, all road. I am very pleased with my results.
Here are links to the race reports. (caution - roadie content)
Race 1 - Croton, OH - 2/25/06
Race 2 - Mentor, KY - 2/26/06
Race 3 - LaGrange, KY - 3/4/06
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1 05.07.2006 Glocester Grind Adlers Pit, Glocester, RI
2 06.11.2006 North Shore Classic Bradley Palmer State Forest Topsfield, Ma
3 06.25.2006 Clifford Park Assault Biddeford, ME
4 07.09.2006 All Out In Moody Park Moody Park, Maple Ave, Claremont,
5 07.23.2006 The Eastern Cup Catamont Family Center, Williston, VT
6 07.30.2006 Bradbury Mountain Challenge Bradbury Mountain State Park, Pownal, ME
7 08.06.2006 Papa's/Back Bay Cycles(Mud in your Eye) Henderson-Swasey State Forest, Exeter, NH
8 08.27.2006 The Pinnacle Newport High School, Newport, NH
9 09.10.2006 The Horror at Harding Hill Road Webbs Forest, Sunapee, NH.
10 10.01.2006 Grillz Memorial Reid State Park, Georgtown, ME
I'm doing the New England Championship Series for the 2nd year. I'll be doing 6 or 7 of these ten, probably staying away from the Maine and Vermont races just because of distance. I'm also riding some road races this season but I don't know exactly which ones though.
2 06.11.2006 North Shore Classic Bradley Palmer State Forest Topsfield, Ma
3 06.25.2006 Clifford Park Assault Biddeford, ME
4 07.09.2006 All Out In Moody Park Moody Park, Maple Ave, Claremont,
5 07.23.2006 The Eastern Cup Catamont Family Center, Williston, VT
6 07.30.2006 Bradbury Mountain Challenge Bradbury Mountain State Park, Pownal, ME
7 08.06.2006 Papa's/Back Bay Cycles(Mud in your Eye) Henderson-Swasey State Forest, Exeter, NH
8 08.27.2006 The Pinnacle Newport High School, Newport, NH
9 09.10.2006 The Horror at Harding Hill Road Webbs Forest, Sunapee, NH.
10 10.01.2006 Grillz Memorial Reid State Park, Georgtown, ME
I'm doing the New England Championship Series for the 2nd year. I'll be doing 6 or 7 of these ten, probably staying away from the Maine and Vermont races just because of distance. I'm also riding some road races this season but I don't know exactly which ones though.
03-08-06, 08:45 AM
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Just wanted to wish everyone good luck in their coming season!
03-08-06, 11:35 AM
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FINALLY! Things are coming together enough for me to have a tentative race schedule. It's been a challenge, what with our regional NORBA series not being run this year:
SPOKANE XC #1 / Spokane, WA / April 23
SPRING FLING DH / Mt. Hood, OR / May 6
BEACON DH / Spokane, WA / May 21
SILVEROXX DH/SUPER D/MTX Gravity Omnium / Kellogg, ID / June 24-25
UCI MASTERS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS DH / Sun Peaks, BC, Canada / Sept. 2-3
BROKEN SPOKE FESTIVAL DH ( & WA State Championship) / Bellingham, WA / Sept. 9-10
THURS NITE RIVERSIDE XC SERIES / Spokane, WA / May 25 - June 29
They've dropped the 8-Hour Endurance DH from Silveroxx, doggonit. And I sure was hoping to make it to a National this year, but decided instead to save my "big trip" of the year for a once-in-a-lifetime chance to do a UCI Worlds practically in my back yard.
SPOKANE XC #1 / Spokane, WA / April 23
SPRING FLING DH / Mt. Hood, OR / May 6
BEACON DH / Spokane, WA / May 21
SILVEROXX DH/SUPER D/MTX Gravity Omnium / Kellogg, ID / June 24-25
UCI MASTERS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS DH / Sun Peaks, BC, Canada / Sept. 2-3
BROKEN SPOKE FESTIVAL DH ( & WA State Championship) / Bellingham, WA / Sept. 9-10
THURS NITE RIVERSIDE XC SERIES / Spokane, WA / May 25 - June 29
They've dropped the 8-Hour Endurance DH from Silveroxx, doggonit. And I sure was hoping to make it to a National this year, but decided instead to save my "big trip" of the year for a once-in-a-lifetime chance to do a UCI Worlds practically in my back yard.
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Anyone else race the Wisconsin Offroad Series?
05.07.06 Iola Bump and Jump
05.21.06 Alpine Valley Open
06.04.06 Big Ring Classic
06.18.06 Kewaunee XC Adventure
07.02.06 Firecracker (hometown A priority race)
07.16.06 Coffee Bean Classic
07.23.06 Dirtfighter Classic
08.06.06 Calumet Sun Run
08.27.06 WORS Cup
09.10.06 Sunburst Showdown
09.24.06 Rome Around
10.08.06 Wigwam Challange
05.07.06 Iola Bump and Jump
05.21.06 Alpine Valley Open
06.04.06 Big Ring Classic
06.18.06 Kewaunee XC Adventure
07.02.06 Firecracker (hometown A priority race)
07.16.06 Coffee Bean Classic
07.23.06 Dirtfighter Classic
08.06.06 Calumet Sun Run
08.27.06 WORS Cup
09.10.06 Sunburst Showdown
09.24.06 Rome Around
10.08.06 Wigwam Challange
03-12-06, 09:55 PM
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This is my first year of competative downhill, and I am hoping to compete in the entire mountain states cup.
03-14-06, 05:09 PM
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My first XC race season, I'll be in beginner class 25-29 class. LOTS of races + few dualthons.
Apr 2, 2006 Sagebrush Safari - San Diego, CA
Apr 8, 2006 Sea Otter- Monteray, Ca
Apr 23, 2006 Bonelli Park - San Dimas, CA
Apr 30, 2006 Firestone Walker Classic - Santa Barbara, CA
May 5 - 7, 2006 Southridge Park NMBS #1 - Fontana, CA
May 21, 2006 Big Bear Shoot Out #1 - Big Bear, CA
Jun 3, 2006 Santa Barbara Bike Festival
Jun 25, 2006 Rim Nordic, CA
July 30, 2006 Rim Nordic, CA
Aug 13, 2006 Rim Nordic, CA
Aug 27, 2006 Rim Nordic, CA
Sep 17, 2006 Big Bear Shoot Out #2 - Big Bear, CA
Sep 23, 2006 Whiskytown Classic - Redding, CA
Oct 8, 2006 Fall Classic - Big Bear, CA
Oct 22, 2006 State Finals! - Castaic Lake, CA
Just finished up the Winter Series on the March 12th.
That was 5 races, one race every 2 weeks since mid Jan. Got second overall in that Series.
Apr 2, 2006 Sagebrush Safari - San Diego, CA
Apr 8, 2006 Sea Otter- Monteray, Ca
Apr 23, 2006 Bonelli Park - San Dimas, CA
Apr 30, 2006 Firestone Walker Classic - Santa Barbara, CA
May 5 - 7, 2006 Southridge Park NMBS #1 - Fontana, CA
May 21, 2006 Big Bear Shoot Out #1 - Big Bear, CA
Jun 3, 2006 Santa Barbara Bike Festival
Jun 25, 2006 Rim Nordic, CA
July 30, 2006 Rim Nordic, CA
Aug 13, 2006 Rim Nordic, CA
Aug 27, 2006 Rim Nordic, CA
Sep 17, 2006 Big Bear Shoot Out #2 - Big Bear, CA
Sep 23, 2006 Whiskytown Classic - Redding, CA
Oct 8, 2006 Fall Classic - Big Bear, CA
Oct 22, 2006 State Finals! - Castaic Lake, CA
Just finished up the Winter Series on the March 12th.
That was 5 races, one race every 2 weeks since mid Jan. Got second overall in that Series.
06-05-06, 08:56 AM
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So any updates to schedules?
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06-05-06, 10:24 AM
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OK, here are my updates. Silver Mtn in Kellogg posted up their schedule, so that finally gave me a DH race series to attend.
MAY 20-21..Sat. / Sun......Bicycle Butler's Beacon Blowout....DH..............Spokane, WA
MAY 24.......Wednesday....Sunset XC Series #1...................XC..............Spokane, WA
MAY 28.......Sunday.........Ski to Sea Relay.........................Multi-Sport...Bellingham, WA
JUNE 1........Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #2..................XC...............Spokane, WA
JUNE 8........Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #3 .................XC...............Spokane, WA
JUNE 11.......Sunday.........Silver Sunday Race Series...........DH...............Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
JUNE 15.......Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #4..................XC...............Spokane, WA
JUNE 22.......Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #5..................XC...............Spokane, WA
JUNE 25.......Sunday.........Silver Sunday Race Series...........DH...............Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
JUNE 29.......Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #5..................XC...............Spokane, WA
JULY 8-9......Sat. / Sun......Silveroxx.....................................DH/Super-D...Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
JULY 14-16...Fri. - Sun.......U.S. MTB National Champ'ships...DH/Super-D...Infineon Rcwy, Sonoma, CA
JULY 23.......Sunday..........Silver Sunday Race Series...........Super-D.......Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
AUGUST 6....Sunday..........Silver Sunday Race Series............DH..............Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
AUGUST 20..Sunday..........Silver Sunday Race Series............Super-D......Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
SEPT. 2-3....Sat. / Sun......UCI Masters World Champ'ships...DH.................Sun Peaks, B.C.
Realistically, I probably won't be able to afford to go to both the US Championships and the UCI Worlds, so I'm gonna have to chose. This is my "if-all-goes-as-planned" list
MAY 20-21..Sat. / Sun......Bicycle Butler's Beacon Blowout....DH..............Spokane, WA
MAY 24.......Wednesday....Sunset XC Series #1...................XC..............Spokane, WA
MAY 28.......Sunday.........Ski to Sea Relay.........................Multi-Sport...Bellingham, WA
JUNE 1........Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #2..................XC...............Spokane, WA
JUNE 8........Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #3 .................XC...............Spokane, WA
JUNE 11.......Sunday.........Silver Sunday Race Series...........DH...............Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
JUNE 15.......Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #4..................XC...............Spokane, WA
JUNE 22.......Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #5..................XC...............Spokane, WA
JUNE 25.......Sunday.........Silver Sunday Race Series...........DH...............Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
JUNE 29.......Thursday.......Sunset XC Series #5..................XC...............Spokane, WA
JULY 8-9......Sat. / Sun......Silveroxx.....................................DH/Super-D...Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
JULY 14-16...Fri. - Sun.......U.S. MTB National Champ'ships...DH/Super-D...Infineon Rcwy, Sonoma, CA
JULY 23.......Sunday..........Silver Sunday Race Series...........Super-D.......Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
AUGUST 6....Sunday..........Silver Sunday Race Series............DH..............Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
AUGUST 20..Sunday..........Silver Sunday Race Series............Super-D......Silver Mtn., Kellogg, ID
SEPT. 2-3....Sat. / Sun......UCI Masters World Champ'ships...DH.................Sun Peaks, B.C.
Realistically, I probably won't be able to afford to go to both the US Championships and the UCI Worlds, so I'm gonna have to chose. This is my "if-all-goes-as-planned" list
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Originally Posted by Mark Twain
"Don't argue with stupid people; they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
