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AVID JUICY SEVEN -OR- HOPE MONO M4 DISC BRAKE's?

Old 05-11-05, 05:20 PM
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AVID JUICY SEVEN -OR- HOPE MONO M4 DISC BRAKE's?

Hello, I'm trying to figure out which brake system is better overall. here is what I am thinking.

I am a total brake freak, I love steep, long Technical drops where brake power & modulation is required. And I primairily only ride single track. My bike is a '05 Trek 4500 my first course of actoin is the brakes, more to follow as it breaks but I need brakes NOW.

OK, so I am either goind to do an AVID JUICY SEVEN system with 203mm rotors front & rear (395 grams / $265 MSRP each)

-OR- a HOPE MONO M4 system with 200mm rotors front & rear (470 grams / $215 each )

The HOPE M4 looks to have a better caliper that weighs more than the avid, I have ONLY heard good things about both, I care about price MUCH more than weight.

I have also heard good things about the HOPE mono mini systems ($150ea.) perhaps the 200mm M4 up front and a 160mm mini in the rear????

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Old 05-11-05, 06:35 PM
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http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/disc_bra...t_123870.shtml
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Old 05-11-05, 06:56 PM
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looking like the HOPES are the better buy... I think, Thanks
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Those prices look a little off.
Pricepoint.com
Mono mini's are quite light.
I ride xc when i actually get some money it will likely be the avid juicy 7's...possibly the mini's, but i'd have to find a good price.
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I prefer the 7's to hopes. Cheaper and just plain amazing braking. And now proven to me to be pretty durable, I had a bad crash on the weekend and they survived fine
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HOPE M4

No doubt.
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I vote for the best feeling brakes around. Thats right, the Juicys.
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I like the lever on the Avids I test rode a bike W/ the same levers as the 7's but If i recalll the brakes where a lesser modle that had been upgraded W/ the 7's levers. What is this I hear about the Juicy 7's rotors sucking?

what about the MONO mini from hope?

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Both are good systems. I prefer the Hopes. Been using them for 4 years now. On one bike I have M4 fr/rr, another bike M4 fr/mini rr, and finally one with Mono6 fr/M4 rr. Other then the 6 all my brakes are the older version (before the black housing).

They all work great, even my wifes bike with Mini's fr/rr work to stop me (had to race her bike in a DH once) and I am sure I out weigh you by a lot I would go with the Mono4 up front and the Mini out back. I find that to be the best all around set up.

Either way you will have some nice brakes though.

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I'm a noob to disk brakes so bear with me taking this OT for a second, but looking at all those HOPE brakes makes me think. In the motorbike world you always run a much larger disk and more substantial calipers on the front than on the rear. From me brief perusal of mtbs, it's not obvious if they do that or not? They seem to run the same on the front as on the back. If this is the case how come? Wouldn't you be better off running say a Mono M4 on the front with a 180 disk for stopping power and a Mini on the back with just a 140 to save weight? It's not as if you can get near the braking force (and hence heat transfer) going through the back with mtbs either?
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It is personal preferance on the discs used. Some, including my self run a 205mm up front and a 160/180mm out back.

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Make sure you get the new 2 piece rotors from hope that eliminate squeal.
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Originally Posted by badsac
I'm a noob to disk brakes so bear with me taking this OT for a second, but looking at all those HOPE brakes makes me think. In the motorbike world you always run a much larger disk and more substantial calipers on the front than on the rear. From me brief perusal of mtbs, it's not obvious if they do that or not? They seem to run the same on the front as on the back. If this is the case how come? Wouldn't you be better off running say a Mono M4 on the front with a 180 disk for stopping power and a Mini on the back with just a 140 to save weight? It's not as if you can get near the braking force (and hence heat transfer) going through the back with mtbs either?

I run Hope Mono M4's with 200 mm disc front and rear. I do agree that a 180 on the back will give better balance, as it is too easy to lock the rear brake with the 200. Possibly a mini on the back may work, but I can definitely vouch for the Stopping power of the Mono M4's. I ran the minis on a different bike a couple of years ago, but that was with 180/160 discs and the braking was no way near as good. It was good enough, but these M4's are awesome. How many of you can stop from 45mph offroad in half the distance of your mates braking from 35mph offroad. How many of you can have daylight under the rear wheel with hard braking on the road from 40mph. And that is on a 400lbs all up weight of a Tandem. The only other bike I have riden with the M4's and 200mm discs is a Whyte 46. Once again I had the feeling that a 180 on the rear would have been better, but all I can tell you is that the Hope Mono M4 system is good. Big advantage of the Hope over most systems, besides the fact that it works superbly, is the Hydraulic piping and the unions out of the caliper. Piping easily cuttable to length and cheap to replace, and the Unions have adjustability to get the pipe run as you want it.

Only my experience, but on a Full offroad Tandem remember, but I can recommend the Hope M4 system to anyone with confidence.
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Originally Posted by stapfam
I run Hope Mono M4's with 200 mm disc front and rear. ........
....How many of you can have daylight under the rear wheel with hard braking on the road from 40mph. And that is on a 400lbs all up weight of a Tandem.

Only my experience, but on a Full offroad Tandem remember, but I can recommend the Hope M4 system to anyone with confidence.
Now that is a serious endorsement!
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Originally Posted by Dirtbike
Make sure you get the new 2 piece rotors
Two piece rotor. Those three words should never go together.
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Your probably have never tried them...
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Originally Posted by Dirtbike
Make sure you get the new 2 piece rotors from hope that eliminate squeal.

Originally Posted by Raiyn
Two piece rotor. Those three words should never go together.
2 piece? Like the floating disks on the Mono 6ti page? Again, coming from the motorbike world, floating disks are good things to reduce friction. I would have thought it would have been even more critical (and hence a good thing) in the mtb world where you're providing your own power?

(Else we're missing the joke?)
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Originally Posted by Dirtbike
Your probably have never tried them...
No need to. My one piece rotors don't squeel.
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I belive it is the stainless rotor mounter to a aluminum "HUB" that alows the rotot to float side to side a few mm each way. like all the new crotch rockets have. they alow the rotor to correct it's self if it get warped pr bent slightly.


I am thinking to am going to go withe the M4's up front (205mm) and the mini in ther rear.
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Yeah, well you know, when the forum says yes to both, it means that neither will let you down and neither will be a bad buy. I get the sensation the hopes are slightly better. Make your own choice.
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I have Hope m4's and i love them, many people over here have them as they are a British company, the power is brilliant, Modulation is good, they are pretty noisy, but i havent had mine squeel, so im staying with one peice rotors for now...

But I love my Hopes..
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Originally Posted by 1Fast4500
I belive it is the stainless rotor mounter to a aluminum "HUB" that alows the rotot to float side to side a few mm each way. like all the new crotch rockets have. they alow the rotor to correct it's self if it get warped pr bent slightly.
Oh yeah just what I want a rotor that "floats"
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
Oh yeah just what I want a rotor that "floats"
Are you serious?? or are you messing with me? all the best brakes in the world use a floating rotor W/ a soildly mounted caliper. instaed of a solid mounted rotor with a floating caliper as found on every car any of us drive.

http://www.motoring.co.za/site/30/pi...cle2/d/d/47430

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/imgWr...c02.jpg&type=3

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Curious what makes the rotor float. Is it a built in lateral weakness to let it warp?...(I understand the concept just not how they implemented)...
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