Originally Posted by Rollfast

I don't MTB, but I can reason from driving days and 42 years on bikes that downhill riders can see you before you see them in many cases, and that with all the little ridges/whoop-de-do's they like to fly over (people do like being airborne) this is a problem.

Ok, perhaps they may be able to see further but I not yet seen a brake the works well while skipping,
across rocks, roots or even better, in the air.


Anyway, all should feel lucky that they have designated MTB trails...in the Boise, Idaho Foothills there is a path that has regularly been closed to prevent erosion and mud problems that really vexes and bums those guys and the people that are affected along with them who AREN'T bikers.


If you live in a place stupid developers build houses that become mobile homes and move down the hill...


But there has to be SOME etiquette for MTB when it looks like they are always running from bears in the films I see at the LBS.

Agreed.


--Gravity kills, be careful out there

Originally Posted by hankaye

Rollfast, Howdy;

Ok, perhaps they may be able to see further but I not yet seen a brake the works well while skipping,
across rocks, roots or even better, in the air.


hank

Originally Posted by Spoonrobot

Neither, they're to protect the more vulnerable users. A mountain bike rider going downhill is the least vulnerable user and as such is afforded the least protection and must act to accommodate other users.

How can the least vulnerable also be the one that is the least protected Is that like Military Intelligence?

Once again; if you're riding downhill on a multi-direction and multi-use trail and cannot stop for an obstacle as it appears within your line of sight, you are riding too fast and need to slow down.

So, ... you say that the folks that are getting the adrenalin rush from plummeting down a hillside festooned
with dirt, gravel, rocks (both affixed and loose), and tree roots as quickly as they can are supposed to also
exercise the optimum of good sense and judgement as they can . Again you appear to be pleading the
case for an oxymoron.

On the roadway, this is the basic speed law and applies to vehicles. California has even gone so far as to codify this as seen below. Mountain biking does not generally need such legislation but often individual parks will have some sort of rule similar to this.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cali...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Ok, now you use Ca. as an argument for common sense and throw in basic road statutes. Does Ca. also
require drivers going up hill to stop while someone going downhill passes? I so, it wouldn't suprise me or a
lot of others. If not then there is no relevance in that last statement ou yours nor the quote from the
Google search

Originally Posted by Spoonrobot

For some reason my bell seems to cut through headphones better than anything else.

Before I got a bell I'd give a friendly holler and almost never got a response from people walking with both earbuds in. Now I just ring-ring-ring and it's heard every time.

Originally Posted by SpeshulEd

My buddy has a little cowbell hanging from the back of his seat...a bit annoying if you're stuck behind him, but very effective at alerting others on the trail.