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Old 01-14-20, 11:47 AM
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I'm looking for a New Mountain bike.

Hello good afternoon all I'm looking for a new mountain bike to ride on the trails . I don't want cheap or expensive. Pretty much a mid tier at least.

These are two i saw on bikes direct tell me what you all think. who has better drive train SRAM or Shimano? I want SRAM GX and about or Shimano SLX or Deore XT

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...ikes.htm#gsize

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...tain-bikes.htm
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SRAM vs Shimano is not the question. The question is GX vs XT. The answer is 6 of one, half dozen of the other, though some will surely pipe in insisting that one is way better than the other.
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Hey how are you today? Well I been looking did you see the two bikes i posted in the links?? I like the one but its 3K and full carbon the other is 2500 and Alu frame.
I want dual shocks also. Trek and Giants same components are 4k and up
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When I started looking around at full suspension I had some reservations about Bikes Direct. price point might look great but where do they cut costs to get there. Also what warranties do you get and what parts are available for non component parts ie frame parts. one downside to buying online is then you do have to go through them to get stuff parts etc. You cannot just go through the LBS to get parts. I do have to do that with my fezzari I just got. To get a derailleur hanger for instance I have to buy from them on their website. I have no experience with those bikes in particular it's just something to consider if you buy from them.
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If you are looking for a new mountain bike avoid bikes direct.

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bi...ull-suspension

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Hey how are you today? Well I been looking did you see the two bikes i posted in the links?? I like the one but its 3K and full carbon the other is 2500 and Alu frame.
I want dual shocks also. Trek and Giants same components are 4k and up
BD does offer bikes at a pretty good price, but you need to understand the trade-offs.

First, you have to be able to basically re-build the thing yourself. Yes, they come mostly assembled, but they are not always too careful about it, and things may be over/under tightened. Plan to go over the whole thing, especially the hubs if they are cup and cone.

You are pretty much on your own regarding support. If you are good at wrenching your own stuff (like above) this may be fine.

The frame designs (both in terms of geometry and suspension design) are usually a couple few years behind the latest and greatest. This may or may not matter to you. Also, I highly doubt they are built to the specs and tolerances of higher end bikes from the likes of Giant and Trek. Do not let the fact that these may have come from the same factory fool you.

Component-wise, make SURE you are comparing apples to apples. For example, all RS Pikes are not created equal. Or Fox 34s.

Buying from BD can make sense if you keep the above in mind. But also keep in mind there is a reason more long time enthusiasts don't buy them despite the seemingly great bargains that they are. The problem is that the target is people who are relatively new to the sport, but those very same people who do not have the wrenching knowledge to make the best use of them.

If I were to go with a direct-sales company, I'd be looking at something like Canyon.
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I have purchased three bikes in the past couple of years. One direct and two from an LBS. I would recommend (my opinion) buying a FS mountain bike from a shop that can service and stand behind the product. Being a FS, I would expect that you most likely will be riding hard on trails putting it through the paces. Adjustments, tuning and part replacement is part of mountain biking. All the more reason for dealing with a LBS.
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We upgraded the kid's GX 12-speed, and it works much better now. We changed the drivetrain to SLX (and an XT derailleur). The SRAM guide brakes were also a travesty. Shimano's SLX brakes were also a significant improvement.

XT is quite nice, but SLX is almost as good, and gives you arguably the best bang for the buck.
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I looked at the bikes direct links and they are spec'd fine. The only reasonable problem to my mind is that you can't test ride them. The bike-in-a-box assembly thing is an unknown, but at least at this level, none of the components are cheap enough that their manufacturers forgot to use grease.

Do you really want a bike this burly, though? 6" travel? These are grind uphill / fly downhill bike, good for drive-to-trail, but maybe not for long days in the saddle. The "trail" category does include less aggressive bikes. A couple of years ago this would have been an enduro bike but now those have gone even further...
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I see three common problems with BD MTB's, which may or may not be a deal breaker depending on how picky you are: 1. Lack of BOOST; 2. 160mm rotors; and 3. Front derailleur fitments on 1x bikes (an aesthetic issue).
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I see three common problems with BD MTB's, which may or may not be a deal breaker depending on how picky you are: 1. Lack of BOOST; 2. 160mm rotors; and 3. Front derailleur fitments on 1x bikes (an aesthetic issue).
Both bikes he is looking at are Boost, have 180mm rotors, and at least one of them has no fitment for an FD (the other is hard to tell).
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Both bikes he is looking at are Boost, have 180mm rotors, and at least one of them has no fitment for an FD (the other is hard to tell).
My comment was obviously addressed to their bikes in general. Take a class in remedial English comprehension if one is offered in your rural area.
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My comment was obviously addressed to their bikes in general. Take a class in remedial English comprehension if one is offered in your rural area.
Try going out and then walking in again without the chip on your shoulder
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Originally Posted by onyerleft View Post
My comment was obviously addressed to their bikes in general..
My bad, I thought you were trying to make a relevant point.
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My comment was obviously addressed to their bikes in general. Take a class in remedial English comprehension if one is offered in your rural area.
So comment on their bikes in general and not on the two bikes he posted in the links?



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I don't recall the last time I've seen a BD bike on the trails. They aren't bad bikes, but resale is rather poor if it matters to you.
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wHAT YOU GUYS THINK??

Fuel EX 8 Plus!!

Fuel EX 8 Plus is a versatile full suspension trail bike with girthy plus-sized tires for unrelenting traction. It's the perfect balance of value and performance, with a trail-tough Alpha Platinum Aluminum frame, 140mm front and 130mm rear suspension, and a wide range SRAM GX Eagle 1x12 drivetrain.
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SRAM vs Shimano is not the question. The question is GX vs XT. The answer is 6 of one, half dozen of the other, though some will surely pipe in insisting that one is way better than the other.
I'm gonna be that guy.

I hate the GX Eagle on my bike. It's literally a POS of ****. Planning on changing it over to XT. A current thread over on MTBR confirms this from others having the same problems with the GX system.
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I'm gonna be that guy.

I hate the GX Eagle on my bike. It's literally a POS of ****. Planning on changing it over to XT. A current thread over on MTBR confirms this from others having the same problems with the GX system.
I have NX I am curious whats wrong with your GX? I keep hearing this but not much more detail beyond that they just don't like it. I've only got a few dozen rides on mine I'd like to know more about this
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It shifts for crap. Skips gears etc. Real finicky. I've been running it for 2 years now and it never worked well from day one.

Even when you get it adjusted it works OK for a while and then goes back to working like shi-t. There's a thread here with people reporting similar problems that want to switch from SRAM to Shimano.

https://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-s...y-1104249.html
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I'm gonna be that guy.

I hate the GX Eagle on my bike. It's literally a POS of ****. Planning on changing it over to XT. A current thread over on MTBR confirms this from others having the same problems with the GX system.
I figured that guy might be you.
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It shifts for crap. Skips gears etc. Real finicky. I've been running it for 2 years now and it never worked well from day one.

Even when you get it adjusted it works OK for a while and then goes back to working like shi-t. There's a thread here with people reporting similar problems that want to switch from SRAM to Shimano.

https://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-s...y-1104249.html
I run both in 11 speed. No need for Eagle so YMMV.
Like the feel of the XTR shifters better but shifts more than 2 jumps are considerably slower than the XX1 on another bike.
Everybody is on board that SRAM shifters aren't as durable, but its guys/gals who ride a lot more than me (once a week).
12 spd chains also stretch too fast and the 46T for Shimano is more than I need. So I'm fine with my options.
Race day or chasing fast group rides, I'll chose SRAM over Shimano. But is more about the right bike for the ride than drivetrain.
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Originally Posted by Armyguy1914 View Post

wHAT YOU GUYS THINK??

Fuel EX 8 Plus!!

Fuel EX 8 Plus is a versatile full suspension trail bike with girthy plus-sized tires for unrelenting traction. It's the perfect balance of value and performance, with a trail-tough Alpha Platinum Aluminum frame, 140mm front and 130mm rear suspension, and a wide range SRAM GX Eagle 1x12 drivetrain.
nice bike, nothing wrong with not being carbon
I'd surely pick it over the BD bikes, though test ride before you buy.
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Well, components can be changed if you're not happy.

I think the Fuel EX looks like a pretty good bike.
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It shifts for crap. Skips gears etc. Real finicky. I've been running it for 2 years now and it never worked well from day one.

Even when you get it adjusted it works OK for a while and then goes back to working like shi-t. There's a thread here with people reporting similar problems that want to switch from SRAM to Shimano.

https://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-s...y-1104249.html
this might sound like a dumb question but have you checked your derailleur hanger to make sure its straight? I will say since the NX vs GX uses a different shifter and derailleur it might be why I've not had problems but then those people in the link didn't like how the shifter felt even on nx. plus mine isn't that old maybe even now mine is an updated model from when the 12 speed eagle came out. I hope that holds to be true and I don't wind up with issues down the road where it wont shift worth a damn.
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