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Old 05-26-24, 07:25 PM
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New Bike, Time To Make Changes

I never thought I'd buy a Trek, but this leftover was a killer deal. First things first. I immediately got rid of that torturous stock seat. I slapped some pedals that I had on storage on while I wait for the platform pedals I ordered. The stock handlebars have to go. For the life of me I can't figure out why they put handlebars nearly 3 feet wide on a trail bike. I ordered some FSA Carbon bars. Other than that, I ordered a few parts to pretty it up. Some blue handgrips, blue bottle cage, blue seatpost clamp, and blue headset cap. I also ordered a stem with a bit more length and a little rise. Colorado, here I come!

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Cool! I hope you have a blast on it.
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Sweet looking bike. A lot of folks prefer a bit higher (and narrower) cockpit on our MTBs. I bought into the wide bar orthodoxy for a while before I realized that 700-720mm just works better for me. Do what feels right.
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Originally Posted by wayold
Sweet looking bike. A lot of folks prefer a bit higher (and narrower) cockpit on our MTBs. I bought into the wide bar orthodoxy for a while before I realized that 700-720mm just works better for me. Do what feels right.
When trails get tight, wide bars just get in the way. Most places I ride are tighter than this.

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Cool! I hope you have a blast on it.
Thanks. With retirement and a move nearing, I expect to spend more time on it than I do my current hard tail.
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"I never thought I'd buy a Trek . . . "

Trek is one of only two companies that began by hand-building bike frames in the United States and grew to be among the dominant players in the bike business worldwide. Trek's story is similar to that of Fender guitars: both were small companies that prospered through innovation in a conservative market.

So why is it that people sometimes tacitly apologize for buying a Trek, but Fender Stratocaster and Telecaster guitars (and Precision and Jazz basses) are admired and coveted everywhere? Why the difference?

Great-looking bike, by the way.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
"I never thought I'd buy a Trek . . . "

Trek is one of only two companies that began by hand-building bike frames in the United States and grew to be among the dominant players in the bike business worldwide. Trek's story is similar to that of Fender guitars: both were small companies that prospered through innovation in a conservative market.

So why is it that people sometimes tacitly apologize for buying a Trek, but Fender Stratocaster and Telecaster guitars (and Precision and Jazz basses) are admired and coveted everywhere? Why the difference?

Great-looking bike, by the way.
You don't see Fender guitars with a bigger neck to accommodate a Fender logo on it (not talking headstock though the 70s had the bigger logo if memory serves) .

In the end I think the comparison is harder to make beyond yes they started as smaller American companies. Bike and guitar retail are similar in some ways as speciality retail is but also quite divergent (or should I say at different Checkpoints yuk yuk yuk) Plus you have so many famous artists who play Fender and they promote that a lot. To a degree nobody cares as much who rides Trek as the people who do it aren't always as famous beyond people who follow pro-cycling. Beyond L.A. (not to go in deeper with it just mentioning) probably nobody in general public can think of another famous Trek rider whereas you could name tons of people who played Fenders from Kurt Cobain to Eric Clapton to Jimi Hendrix to Tom Delonge to the Vaughn Brothers (Stevie Ray and Jimmie)...
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Originally Posted by veganbikes
You don't see Fender guitars with a bigger neck to accommodate a Fender logo on it (not talking headstock though the 70s had the bigger logo if memory serves) .

In the end I think the comparison is harder to make beyond yes they started as smaller American companies. Bike and guitar retail are similar in some ways as speciality retail is but also quite divergent (or should I say at different Checkpoints yuk yuk yuk) Plus you have so many famous artists who play Fender and they promote that a lot. To a degree nobody cares as much who rides Trek as the people who do it aren't always as famous beyond people who follow pro-cycling. Beyond L.A. (not to go in deeper with it just mentioning) probably nobody in general public can think of another famous Trek rider whereas you could name tons of people who played Fenders from Kurt Cobain to Eric Clapton to Jimi Hendrix to Tom Delonge to the Vaughn Brothers (Stevie Ray and Jimmie)...
You're not a moron, so you must have been joking about Trek enlarging frame elements solely to accommodate larger decals.

That said, I quote:

---But in December 1965, an even more significant—and visible—change was implemented. The Stratocaster's headstock was enlarged and slightly re-shaped. “The rationale was simple,” noted author Richard Smith in Fender: The Sound Heard 'Round the World. “The new design allowed a bigger decal.”

Still, you're right to point out that Trek has replaced Schwinn as the most widely known, respected, and trusted bike brand in the U.S. -- and possibly the world -- and that they deserve that reputation.

So, the real issue is not why Trek triggers sneers from some forum denizens and bike store employees -- how better to suggest superior knowledge than to offer contrarian views of market leaders?

The equivalent in the world of guitar players, by the way, is Eric Clapton hating. It's rare for a week to go by without a thread being started on The Gear Page with the bold statement that -- gasp! -- "Clapton is overrated! " (Ironically, the thread starter almost invariably then announces that he reveres Jimi Hendrix -- the most overrated rock guitarist in history.)

The question is, how did, and does, Fender escape similar hatred?

That's a rhetorical question. I just realized that this digression is way off topic for this thread. Sorry, all!
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
You're not a moron, so you must have been joking about Trek enlarging frame elements solely to accommodate larger decals.

That said, I quote:

---But in December 1965, an even more significant—and visible—change was implemented. The Stratocaster's headstock was enlarged and slightly re-shaped. “The rationale was simple,” noted author Richard Smith in Fender: The Sound Heard 'Round the World. “The new design allowed a bigger decal.”

Still, you're right to point out that Trek has replaced Schwinn as the most widely known, respected, and trusted bike brand in the U.S. -- and possibly the world -- and that they deserve that reputation.

So, the real issue is not why Trek triggers sneers from some forum denizens and bike store employees -- how better to suggest superior knowledge than to offer contrarian views of market leaders?

The equivalent in the world of guitar players, by the way, is Eric Clapton hating. It's rare for a week to go by without a thread being started on The Gear Page with the bold statement that -- gasp! -- "Clapton is overrated! " (Ironically, the thread starter almost invariably then announces that he reveres Jimi Hendrix -- the most overrated rock guitarist in history.)

The question is, how did, and does, Fender escape similar hatred?

That's a rhetorical question. I just realized that this digression is way off topic for this thread. Sorry, all!
I am partially joking on the larger downtube front but you have to imagine it was not just aerodynamics someone in marketing did the same thing Fender did back in the 60s/70s as we both mentioned above.

I never said Trek was the most trusted...brand. I do recognize they are well known but unlike Fender guitar players most people couldn't name someone who uses a Trek product beyond the above mention. I also don't believe they deserve the reputation you listed. They make some good bikes and a lot of meh bikes and beyond being well known they are not an especially great brand. PhIllip Morris is a well known brand and they make products that actively harm people. (Not saying that Trek is harming people in that way or that Trek is as evil)

I won't get into Clapton or Hendrix being "rated" under or over. They are better guitarists then I could ever be and certainly have left a major mark and people will always mention them good or bad.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
"I never thought I'd buy a Trek . . . "

Trek is one of only two companies that began by hand-building bike frames in the United States and grew to be among the dominant players in the bike business worldwide. Trek's story is similar to that of Fender guitars: both were small companies that prospered through innovation in a conservative market.

So why is it that people sometimes tacitly apologize for buying a Trek, but Fender Stratocaster and Telecaster guitars (and Precision and Jazz basses) are admired and coveted everywhere? Why the difference?

Great-looking bike, by the way.

Thank you. I think a little splash of blue will make it pop.

I never thought I'd buy any major name brand bike. My last half dozen or so have been builds. Beyond that, I am a price point shopper, and Trek rarely beats others on price for the same level of spec. At $2400 for XT level spec, and Fox bouncy parts, it was the best deal I could find.
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Originally Posted by veganbikes
Beyond L.A. (not to go in deeper with it just mentioning) probably nobody in general public can think of another famous Trek rider whereas you could name tons of people who played Fenders from Kurt Cobain to Eric Clapton to Jimi Hendrix to Tom Delonge to the Vaughn Brothers (Stevie Ray and Jimmie)...
I would bet a medium amount of money that a large majority of the general public couldn't tell you which famous guitar players played Fenders.
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I would bet a medium amount of money that a large majority of the general public couldn't tell you which famous guitar players played Fenders.
I think the likelihood of people knowing the guitar is higher than bikes so I would bet a medium amount of money (if I had money at this moment) they could probably name some.
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I think the likelihood of people knowing the guitar is higher than bikes so I would bet a medium amount of money (if I had money at this moment) they could probably name some.
Maybe Fender guitars scores higher than Trek, but I still think both are in a significant minority for brand recognition connected with specific users by the general public.
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Maybe Fender guitars scores higher than Trek, but I still think both are in a significant minority for brand recognition connected with specific users by the general public.
For some reason, this reminds me of seeing Cream in Yale's Woolsey Hall in 1968. Easily one of the two or three best shows I ever saw.

The next day, I visited my friend Paul and his sister, both of whom were at the same concert. Paul and I were raving to each other about the concert: the virtuoso playing, the stunning volume from the Marshall stacks, Baker's avalanche of polyrhythms, etc. etc..

We then went into specifics about Jack Bruce's great singing on various songs. When we finally paused for breath, Paul's sister Naomi asked innocently, "Was that the red guitar guy?"
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Maybe Fender guitars scores higher than Trek, but I still think both are in a significant minority for brand recognition connected with specific users by the general public.
To a degree but I think Fender is more recognizable. It is like people wearing Ramones or Nirvana T-Shirts who may not actually have listened to them. Bikes kind of look the same to a degree with a few brands having some iconic styles but like the Y-Foil didn't last that long whereas the Strat or Tele have endured the test of time and are easy to recognize. It could go both ways though...who knows until we do some actual research...but I doubt you nor I want to actually pay for that study ; )
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I got the parts installed. I wish I had a good place to ride locally.

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