wow, just wow. i am just glad you dont ride on my trails.

yeah i read it after and was like wait, oops, but i guess you can use some of those techniques in mountain biking

Raiyn: I was riding along purely & solitarily shotgun, YOU hit a corner with this & took to the linear path & started attacking MY intelligence by callling ME a "moron".I might very well be a "moron" but it taint your place to cast EMPTIES.If your aesthetics & morality are so strong as you claim, you should be cleaning not casting empties like some sort of baby.
Like i say "you do what you do, i do what i do." Deal with it.
STD

Nothing to worry about,
i wouldn't EVER Ride ones own personal trails without first getting consent. :)

no this is not normal. you need a new brake

you should ony be using your rear brake. by using your front brake you risk getting thrown over the bars. i suggest removing it so you'll save weight. furthermore, skidding stops you faster and is much cooler than threshhold braking. who cares if you're wrecking the trail. besides, liberals and hippies clean up the trail anyway.

Typical Sociopath.. inconsiderate of others and expects the same treatment in return. Everyone else has to clean up after.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......Troll.

Good lord, I feel dumber after reading all that.
Let me join in with Raiyn... you are a complete and utter moron. A total waste of space, air, and food. You're the type of selfish, stupid, utterly arrogant twit that forces the decent people of the planet to work that much harder to make things bearable for everyone else.

You can say what you want and do what you want? Fine, so do we. We have every right to judge you. It's our place to tell you what an idiot you are every single time you post. (In your case, however, we have to use shorter words, but... oh well.) You deserve all the poo being flung your way and then some.

Do us all a favor, 'dufus', go slap your parents for being such negligent trash. It's what they deserve for you turning out this way.

If you don't comprehend what i posted (the trail of this one you arrogantly attached your 2cents to) that's your business. I am not gonna kick up any chunks of trail to that. A cubicle slug goofball with the motto of "brewer of Kool-aid" is alright in my book :p
Everyone has to "join" in & be a part of something....eh? :rolleyes:
STD

PS, i had no "parents" , i was left on the trailside as a baby & raised up by the wolves :) .
Bigfoot has arrived!!

lol

Not really, i would analytically dub myself as a typical sociopolitician :)

OWN't

It was very fun to type.

You don't take care of the trail you ride ... do you????

Next time, instead of fishtailing your ride, try moving your weight into the front wheel moving into the corner, than inside the corner, lean to the inside while pushing the bike to the outside.

Beyond that, all skids accomplish is washing out your speed. In a turn, you have to translate your momentum from one direction to another. If you skid out, you aren't transferring that speed, you're rubber braking.

If you don't believe, try go carting some time on unregulated engines. Fishtailing through corners is a sure fire 100% way to lose your position.

Fellow cyclist,

MTB trails are not an invasive species. They aren't like kudzu that sprouts up at random for your personal use. They are not a government entitlement that you can demand from your local, state or federal municipality.

NONE of us own the trails. However, some of us do act as stewards. And we greatly appreciate it when users who do NOT contribute listen instead of lecturing. If you contributed and spent some time building and fixing trails, I think you would have more appreciation for why we:

a) Don't appreciate users locking up their back wheels around corners.
b) Don't appreciate users locking up their back wheels going downhill.

Both techniques tear up the trail surface and make it more vulnerable to erosion.

ive always been told to use my back break and my fornt break and neaver stop wiyh one, is this true or was my lbs lieing, oh yea dont try to jump your outlook (i kinda learned that the hard way)

It's been a while since I read Sheldon's "how to brake properly" tutorial, but I think he says something along the lines of (to heavily refactor as a paraphrase) "if you want a simplistic technique that's hardly perfect, just use both brakes together; it's better than always blindly using only one". If you have the time, read his website for some more insightful and detailed tips and advice.

I have been MTB'ng before there was such a things & i don't care about any of your "politicly* correct" rhetoric. Now if you CLAIM you have never slided on the off pavement terrain, YOU are a LIAR. Simple as that. One more thing, sliding can also be a psychological intimidation tool in competetive situations.
Most of this thread string is nothing but blowing smoke trying to show who is the best politicly* correct.
so :p . Let that go & "slide" away. :rolleyes:

(*politicly or politically,you choose) :)
STD

I call bs, it is people like you who get trails closed and in a competitive situation the only perception people will have of you if you slide a bike in the turns is of a dork and as of a bad rider. A good rider will break before or lightly brake in the turn and take the turn in an apex, in other terms you take it like a formula one car on a wide open course, go into the turn from the outside hit the bottom mid turn and exit high with a bunch of momentum. Sliding scrubs off too much speed, damages the trail, and is not impressive/intimidiating at all. If you put in consistent fast times, people will respect you and respect is much more effective than intimidation is.

I'm not lying at all about this, I never slid any of my bikes when cornering on the dirt, the only time I slid the rear tire was to finish off a tire that was about completely worn out, and that was on pavement, I was taught as a kid that sliding when cornering slows you down and is hard on the equipment.

Call it what you will,
I am not going to go into braking techniques or if it slows you down or if it's about respect or intimidation . i can read here that this SKIDDING/ sliding perception has been taken to kamikaze lengths.
Put it this way, i have carved fairly sharp turns entering approx 50 & cleaned them using proper braking.
P.S.
(as you mentioned) That's why i am called the DUFUS(not 'dork") on the trails.heh. :rolleyes:
If your tires come loose at all(with knobbies) basically you are slowly erroding the trail or ride less than completely dry trails.

Funny since braking and cornering techniques run hand in hand.

Skidding in any shape or form is bad, especially in your neck of the woods. There are ways to get around skidding, unfortunately 90% of the ways are in braking technique. For example: sharp turns, easy on the brakes and try to use the ruts as a berm or get the front wheel off the ground and steer the bike with the rear as in using it as a pivot. Of course that is to be used on a slower, more techical trail/course, on a faster course just start out wide and hit the apex of the turn on the inside and exit back on the outside. Non sharp you usually don't need to brake, and hit the turning points(remember, outside, inside outside.) If the turns are linked in a long set of turns that bring you about 180 degrees(AKA horse shoe, you want to lessen the turn as much as possible, usually though these turns are bermed on a race course but on a trail, could be either.) Outside as long as possible, to the inside for almost the rest of it then on the pedals hard as you reach the exit. To achieve that turn guess what you need brakes. Oh and tire tread comes to be essential, a certain tire that fits works well, and has a somewhat sticky compound to it usually works really good on the front, the tacky rubber will grip well on the dirt, the rear a similar tread design, but with a harder rubber compound, is best suited.

But whatever, can't change a person's riding habits online, can only suggest it. Just be more considerate for the other people that use the trails before skidding, if it is an emergency skid, they are excusable, but in a non emergency situation, it's not called for. Try the different tire durometer combination, it really works.

:rolleyes: :)

If i am going down a fairly steep trail, i am going to start on the inside & slide to the outward if tires want to slide. I am not going to scrub speed before hand just because i am afraid a pebble might be overturned.
I am also not going to be thinking about any politicly induced forum chat.
One more thing about the intimidation thing, i just happen to have an article here with a few tips from a pro that states something of using rear wheel swingout for intimidation by startling opponent.& yes , on a bicycle not a "formula one race car."

For me, my only braking technique is- If im about to fall or about to flip, I slam my brakes, otherwise they are not needed.

Uh...hello yo? *raises hand* Just to let you guys know, for those of us who don't know how to brake like that, you're scaring us...... :o

**runs for cover** :eek:

You do realise that your way of cornering is inefficient, thus significantly slower and also more prone to losing control right? Be it a car, a bike, or anything else on wheels, on road or off...you should be finished with all your braking before you enter the turn.

If not to be gentle on the trail, do it so you go faster and maintain your exit speed, and to be a better rider.

The whole rebel "i dont give a crap, sliding is the best" jive you're on makes you look not only careless, but uninformed and foolish. It exposes you not only as an inconsiderate loser with a chip on your shoulder, but a bad rider to boot.

Good work. :lol:

reel your line back in, i saw your bait fly off the hook when you casted :).