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Old 01-19-06, 05:31 PM
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Which of these two bikes for a beginner

I am debating about which of these to bikes to buy. I have ridden both and I am torn.
I can't seem to find much information on either one:
The Gary Fischer Piranha with a 1 year warranty but a lifetime warranty on the frame ($599.99)
The Raleigh Mojave 8.0 with a 5 year warranty and 5 free tune ups ($599.99)
I would love to hear some opinions and facts.
Either one I will be upgrading the pedals (as I always seem to snap them right off), I am HARD on bikes!
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Well, without looking up the specs or anything, Gary Fisher is a welll respected bike manufacturer while Raleigh is a kmart/walmart type of manufacturer. Solely based on that I'd go with the Gary Fisher if you like them both and they're the same price.

EDIT!!! I take back everything I just said. I just looked up the specs and the Raleigh looks like a nice bike and has better components and fork. The Gary Fisher is ugly too. I may just buy a Raleigh some day. Hmmm....
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Originally Posted by Jenn22
The Gary Fischer Piranha with a 1 year warranty but a lifetime warranty on the frame ($599.99)
The Raleigh Mojave 8.0 with a 5 year warranty and 5 free tune ups ($599.99)
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buy this book and your 5 year free tune ups are worthless.

Stick with the Fisher.

Up until a few years ago, Raleigh made some pretty high end bikes, but i dont think they do anymore.
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Raleigh still sells some decent bikes over here, but nothing to get excited about. And I'd read the fine print on the warranty. Get the bike that's better equipped for you, and don't worry about brands or warranties. If you're rough on wheels, get the one with stout wheels, or be prepared to upgrade. The same goes for forks and brakes.
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Get the fisher.
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Raleigh makes some decent stuff but Fisher has a much better rep.
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History http://www.firstflightbikes.com/gary.htm

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My Raleigh pre-dates the first Fisher by 3 years. History isn't everything.
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Most bike shops throw in a free tune-up or two in the beginning because the cables stretch and things get out of adjustment during the first month or so of riding. The shop selling the Gary Fisher may include that. After you've spent some time getting familiar with your bike, you'll probably feel more comfortable doing maintenance yourself, but the initial tuneup has some value, for beginners especially.

Raleigh is one of the older names in biking. They may not be top-of-the line anymore, but they are a worthy option. As far as components on the bike, they two are pretty comparable, although I might favor the Raleigh just a tiny bit in that department.

One other thing you should note, if you didn't notice in your test rides, is that Gary Fisher designs their bikes with what they call "Genesis" geometry. They make the top-tube length longer than most other bikes, shifting your weight forward somewhat for a better position when climbing. The downside is that the extra reach forward gives you a little less freedom to shift back when rolling down especially steep trails, so the Gary Fisher is a little more cross-country oriented. A lot of people love the position, but some find it a little uncomfortable.
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Looking at the specs, get the Raleigh.
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http://www.raleighusa.com/items.asp?...=11&itemid=288
http://www.fisherbikes.com/bikes/bik...s&bike=Piranha

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well if your gonning to get a raligh instead get a diamondback (there same company but ralighs good bikes are diamondbacks) but really id go with the fisher, my bros raligh is not trust worthy the chain falls off every 1/2 mile
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The snob in me says get the Fisher.

But the truth is that when two bikes are that close it's going to come down to fit. And when you're a beginner you may not be able to tell what the best fit is right off the bat.

Bike shops have alot of stems and bars laying around that they take off new bikes. These extra parts are called "take offs". A really nice shop will let you come back for a week or two and swap your bar and stem for take offs, at which point your old stuff becomes take offs. Get it? Circle of life?

Talk to both shops and see which one is going to be cool and let you do this. Then buy from that one. Then after riding around for a week, you can come to BF and say "eh... my shoulders hurt" or whatever and someone can suggest you need a shorter stem or whatever and you can go back to the shop and get a take off.

Then you'll end up with a bike that fits better. And you'll ride it more.
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Originally Posted by TwinCam
The snob in me says get the Fisher.
Ha..I wrote 'I'm a bike snob -you can be one too, but not with Raliegh'.
Then deleted it.

The R'h seems pretty o.k too.
Oh oh...I know the answer!

Get a KONA!
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Yeah, it's weird. Konas are great bikes but you can't be a snob on a Kona.

I mean, your bike says "Stinky" on it.

I used to ride a Rocky Mountain and I was all like "My poop is handmade". Now, if I want to order another set of factory grips, I have to ask for "************".

************! Do you know what that means!!??
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Originally Posted by iamlucky13
Most bike shops throw in a free tune-up or two in the beginning because the cables stretch and things get out of adjustment during the first month or so of riding. The shop selling the Gary Fisher may include that. After you've spent some time getting familiar with your bike, you'll probably feel more comfortable doing maintenance yourself, but the initial tuneup has some value, for beginners especially.

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One other thing you should note, if you didn't notice in your test rides, is that Gary Fisher designs their bikes with what they call "Genesis" geometry. They make the top-tube length longer than most other bikes, shifting your weight forward somewhat for a better position when climbing. The downside is that the extra reach forward gives you a little less freedom to shift back when rolling down especially steep trails, so the Gary Fisher is a little more cross-country oriented. A lot of people love the position, but some find it a little uncomfortable.
But wait! There's more. NOT ALL of Gary's bikes are Genesis. They have the classics too. Look on their website under.....classics.
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She's right.

But on the other hand, most XC bikes are "Genesis" anyhow. Or as I like to call it, "Gonad Preserving Technology", because of the mercifully dropped top tube.
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Originally Posted by TwinCam
Yeah, it's weird. Konas are great bikes but you can't be a snob on a Kona.

I mean, your bike says "Stinky" on it.

I used to ride a Rocky Mountain and I was all like "My poop is handmade". Now, if I want to order another set of factory grips, I have to ask for "************".

************! Do you know what that means!!??

ummmmm no. What does it mean? Sorry you don't have your handmade poop but you can have poop in your hands. Kona's other grips are called Jacksh- (poop)
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I'm not going to tell you what it means. But I will tell you that I don't say it in mixed company! And even then sometimes somebody blows beer out their nose.
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So ya open up a can of worms and hurry up and put a lid on it. Yeah whatever. You tease. Besides, I don't drink alcohol.
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Originally Posted by TwinCam

************! Do you know what that means!!??
Oh ya.....I'm Canadian. Love the ************.

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Wow! This is great information! I have a LOT to consider. I may even have to check out Kona (and look up what ************ means! *Wink*)
It seems like most people are leaning twards the Fischer... mostly because of brand. Not that it is a shallow thing, they obviously have done a lot of great things through out the years to get thier reputation.
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Originally Posted by free_pizza
buy this book and your 5 year free tune ups are worthless.

Stick with the Fisher.

Up until a few years ago, Raleigh made some pretty high end bikes, but i dont think they do anymore.

I just ordered it! Thanks for the tip! I can't wait to check it out!
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Originally Posted by TwinCam
The snob in me says get the Fisher.

But the truth is that when two bikes are that close it's going to come down to fit. And when you're a beginner you may not be able to tell what the best fit is right off the bat.

Bike shops have alot of stems and bars laying around that they take off new bikes. These extra parts are called "take offs". A really nice shop will let you come back for a week or two and swap your bar and stem for take offs, at which point your old stuff becomes take offs. Get it? Circle of life?

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Then you'll end up with a bike that fits better. And you'll ride it more.

I had never thought of this! That is a GREAT idea!! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by jeff williams
Oh ya.....I'm Canadian. Love the ************.
LOL! Okay... found it! Yeah, we have "mooseknuckles" here in the US, only it is commonly refered to as camel toe! *wink*
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