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Old 02-20-06, 03:07 PM
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Thinking about getting the new Marzocchi Roco RC shock...

It seems like an excellent freeride/DH shock, and its really not that expensive! (around $350). Anyone here using one? How do you like it? It would be perfect for my build, since it uses just standard 1/2" bushing eylets.



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I'm all for building your own bike and stuff like that but I am just wondering why you are spending all this money just to modify a cheap frame? And BTW, that shock looks sick.
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Old 02-20-06, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryson
It seems like an excellent freeride/DH shock, and its really not that expensive! (around $350). Anyone here using one? How do you like it? It would be perfect for my build, since it uses just standard 1/2" bushing eylets.



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it's new. little used yet. first year of production. rather than spend $$ on that, you'd be better served to go with a shock that's been out a bit longer. especially on this crazy frame mod thing you're doing.

you'd be better off spending all the money to purchase a new frame/shock, rather than dump money into some mod project that *may* blow up on you, metaphorically speaking.
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Wait, it only has 3 whole inches of travel?..
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Old 02-20-06, 05:40 PM
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no, that is the stroke length. you multiply that by the leverage ratio of your suspension frame design to get your overall travel, generally. if you don't know the leverage ratios of your frame, here is the easy way to figure it out. or even easier, replace your current shock with the same i2i and stroke length in a new shock.

as in: my bullit clone gets 7" of travel via 2.75" stroke length shock, meaning i have a leverage ratio of roughly 2.5.

you can fine tune your travel and goemetry on some frames by changing the overall i2i length and stroke, though many manufacturers don't reccomend this.
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Old 02-20-06, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bruiser2
I'm all for building your own bike and stuff like that but I am just wondering why you are spending all this money just to modify a cheap frame? And BTW, that shock looks sick.
Just wait until you see my build sheet. It will be a lot less than what your probubly thinking. Definetly a lot less than spending 4K on a bike.

it's new. little used yet. first year of production. rather than spend $$ on that, you'd be better served to go with a shock that's been out a bit longer. especially on this crazy frame mod thing you're doing.
I dunno. The main thing that gets me is that it says it uses parts that are compareable to the competitors, and can be rebuilt without any special tools. If thats the case, I think it may be well worth the money.
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Have to go with scrub and bruiser with this. If it was being built from absolute scratch it would be a different story. Suck it up and put down the money on a bike that does not need to be modified, in then end you'll probably wind up spending more on some POS that will break than a complete bike, and no you don't have to spend 4,000 on a bike. You can get a complete DH/FR bike for less if you know what to look for, modding a Depot store bike, can get you seriously hurt and possibly killed, it was designed to never go off the road and yet you are thinking of doing drops on it, something that is outside of the bike's design.

You are talking about putting a $350 rear shock on a bike that was less than $150, By doing what you're doing you will void the shock's warranty.
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You can find a good frame and build it up from there. Seems like a waste to me, sorry.
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
You can find a good frame and build it up from there. Seems like a waste to me, sorry.
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ok so anyway, back to the roco -

I figure if you're gonna take the time to design and build your own suspension, you might as well have a decent shock. The roco's durability is of course pure speculation at this point, but coil shocks are pretty much tried and true technology, and Marzocchi does know a thing or two about dampers. Seems like a reasonable choice to me.
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Old 02-20-06, 11:41 PM
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Ok, for those of you who again are bashing me about building the frame...this isn't a thread dedicated to that. If you wanna bash me, go ahead...but do it in my other thread.

I am just wondering how the shock performs from those who have used it.
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Old 02-21-06, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bryson
Ok, for those of you who again are bashing me about building the frame...this isn't a thread dedicated to that. If you wanna bash me, go ahead...but do it in my other thread.

I am just wondering how the shock performs from those who have used it.

uh, not bashing, just trying to give constructive criticism. buying that shock, to put on that frame, will be wasting your time and money.

before you go spending more money on a shock, the smarter idea would be to build the frame mods as you want, then ensure they *actually work* with the stock shock before tossing more money into a better shock. then, if your design thing doesn't work out, you're not stuck with a shock in a small/odd size in search of a frame to put it on.
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Old 02-21-06, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by scrublover
uh, not bashing, just trying to give constructive criticism. buying that shock, to put on that frame, will be wasting your time and money.

before you go spending more money on a shock, the smarter idea would be to build the frame mods as you want, then ensure they *actually work* with the stock shock before tossing more money into a better shock. then, if your design thing doesn't work out, you're not stuck with a shock in a small/odd size in search of a frame to put it on.
heres my perspective: If it doesn't work, I can always sell the shock. Since my design it utilizes heim joints, will require a shock that has a 1/2" eylet mount. My current shock however, does not.

The frame is not stock and you have never seen it, so how do you know if it would work or not?
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Originally Posted by Bryson
heres my perspective: If it doesn't work, I can always sell the shock. Since my design it utilizes heim joints, will require a shock that has a 1/2" eylet mount. My current shock however, does not.

The frame is not stock and you have never seen it, so how do you know if it would work or not?

reading comprehension 101: point to where in my post i said it wouldn't work. that's right, i never said that it wouldn't work, just that i think you'd be better spending your time/effort/money otherwise.

1/2" eyelet mounts. ok, so you use reducer or enlarger bushings if needed. cheaper than a new shock, if things don't work out, is all i'm trying to point out. yeah, you can sell the shock. for much less, even if it's little used. if the money is no big deal, then knock yourself out. whatever happens, i look forward to seeing the results.

uh, i read the other threads you've posted about it.....so i'm not just talking out of my @ss. i applaud you for thinking out of the box, and like to see people do their own stuff. i just personally think you're wasting your time on this particular thing.

that's just my *opinion* and not a bashing thing. if you can't handle others opinions when you post these things, you have a couple options. a)grow thicker skin b)realize others will have opinions about what you are attempting to do c) don't post stuff
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Old 02-21-06, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by gastro
ok so anyway, back to the roco -

I figure if you're gonna take the time to design and build your own suspension, you might as well have a decent shock. The roco's durability is of course pure speculation at this point, but coil shocks are pretty much tried and true technology, and Marzocchi does know a thing or two about dampers. Seems like a reasonable choice to me.
Good point, while it is pure speculation as not many people own it, Marz has one of the best reps for set and forget forks, I don't see why this would be a problem with their rear shocks. I would take a chance on one if I needed a new shock.
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I use marzocchi forks for all my bikes (dh, xc, fr,dj) and they all work great (they arent the bottom line ones though (jr.t, z1, mx). I almost bought a roco but got a swinger 4way instead (I got a good deal and have tried it out before). Marzocchi makes great forks, they arent going to make a crappy shock. I say go for it. This bike is going to be sweet. My friend broke his rear triangle off on a norco a line. He took it to a shop and welded some 1/4 inch aluminum plates on to each side. It is now stronger than it was before (but not a smooth looking . As long as you do a good job on the welds, and don't huck any Bender type s***, it should work great (you already know all this though )
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Originally Posted by KonaRider24
You are talking about putting a $350 rear shock on a bike that was less than $150, By doing what you're doing you will void the shock's warranty.
For me, that would be enough reason in itslef to not buy the shock.
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When you send the shock back, you don't leave the frame attached to it...

It kills me how people will try and shoot down an idea because it doesn't work with THEIR budget.
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Originally Posted by MattP.
For me, that would be enough reason in itslef to not buy the shock.
...How the hell would they know that I had this shock on a cheap frame?...Also, what is their definition of a bike that this shock should be on? lol. You guys make it seem like they would just automatically know to void my warrenty by looking at the shock. right.

When you send the shock back, you don't leave the frame attached to it...It kills me how people will try and shoot down an idea because it doesn't work with THEIR budget
Exactly. from what a couple people have said, it almost seems like I would be violating some "unwritten code" if I choose to use this shock on my "cheap" frame. It might just be my ignorance, but to me I don't really understand how I'm wasting my effort, and time on this. Whos to say that? "Yes mother"...lol. I'm not a person to just go out there and buy the nice and shiny $5K bike because its right in front of me. Yes that would be easy, take less time and effort. Its those people who say that who have never built anything in their entire lives. When it comes down to it, I'm saving money, getting something that no one else has, as well as the intrinsic value of knowing that the great peice of work was made by my own hands. It all just comes down to what you value more. So for those of you who want to keep preeching to me about how I'm wasting my time on this, just remind your self that THIS IS NOT YOUR BIKE!
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Originally Posted by Bryson
So for those of you who want to keep preeching to me about how I'm wasting my time on this, just remind your self that THIS IS NOT YOUR BIKE!
Yes, it's not my bike, but it is Your Life that your putting to chance with this depot store monstrosity. The POS was not designed to be changed or altered, the only way to achieve something like you are planning is to build a whole frame from the metal tubing up, not on a frame whose strunctural compatibility is shady to be the least. But what ever, go and do your mods to your wally world bike, when it completely falls apart on you and you get seriously hurt, do not come expecting sympathy.
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Originally Posted by KonaRider24
Yes, it's not my bike, but it is Your Life that your putting to chance with this depot store monstrosity. The POS was not designed to be changed or altered, the only way to achieve something like you are planning is to build a whole frame from the metal tubing up, not on a frame whose strunctural compatibility is shady to be the least. But what ever, go and do your mods to your wally world bike, when it completely falls apart on you and you get seriously hurt, do not come expecting sympathy.
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Once its done just be careful. Try to take things one step at a time, until you know the bike can handle hardcore stuff. I think you can be perfectly safe if you exersize some good judgement when you take the bike on the trails. Just remember the full face helmet.
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Since it appears to be impossible to sway you away from this, I know someone who is willing to send you a Vanilla R for cheap. Eyelets are similar.
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Originally Posted by Bryson
THIS IS NOT YOUR BIKE!
No crap. If it's YOUR bike, don't ask us what to put on it. You asked what we thought and I told you. If you don't want people's opinion DON"T ASK FOR IT
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I say build it and huck it big. Make sure you post pics.
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