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Old 05-08-06, 08:09 PM
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best rear derailer/shifters

I have an 05 faith 2, and want to upgrade the shifters and rear derailer. I am either getting an x9 or xt rear derailer and x9, xt or attack shifters. Which are the best shifters (durability, speed of shifts and crispness) between the three? Is there any difference between X9 and attack shifters, other than X9 is for sram and attack is for shimano derailers?

Also, I will be running 9 speed in the rear and 2 speed up front. What size cage derailer should I get?

lastly, I alrady have a nice metal bash gaurd, but I want a roller system that is compatible with 2 chain rings. Should I just by a single roller attachment like the hiem 13, or would it be worth it to get the e13 bash gaurd and dual ring roller (for over twice as much)

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Save up and get a Rohloff.
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A rear hub with internal shifting. Elimates the ugly pertrusion of a rear deraillieur. Plus it will elimate one weak point of a bike, the deraillieur hanger.
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how many speeds is it? how exspensive is it? is it compatible with my bike? can I get one at my lbs? what would it require me to change?
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Originally Posted by nmn25
how many speeds is it? how exspensive is it? is it compatible with my bike? can I get one at my lbs? what would it require me to change?
It's a bit more, if I remember 8 speed. It is compatible with your bike.
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Originally Posted by KonaRider24
Save up and get a Rohloff.
Kona is this guy a problem and you're trying to proving a point or something? I'm trying to figure out your reason for being a jerk to him.

Originally Posted by nmn25
I have an 05 faith 2, and want to upgrade the shifters and rear derailer. I am either getting an x9 or xt rear derailer and x9, xt or attack shifters. Which are the best shifters (durability, speed of shifts and crispness) between the three?
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He asks about specific products and your response is to suggest a $900 hub? Either he's guilty of in the past that annoyed you, you're in a foul mood, or I'm missing something all together.
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Kona is just telling the guy that the rohloff is superior to rear derailleurs in some fashion because they aren't in danger of being hit on a rock. And to answer the question my friends have deore's and they shift in all conditions and the X.9 has wonderful reviews (I will have mine shortly).

And Kona according to Rohloff the hub is a 14 speed witht he same spread of gear ratios as a normal 27 speed bike
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lets see, you need to couple the sram with sram if you get x9 they are 1:1 pull where shimano is 1:2 or 2:1 w/e...

cage will probably be a long cage considering you probably only have your 2 smaller front rings.

dual rollers for bashguard is better
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I would actually say a medium cage should be fine...especially if your bike is faith you dont want a long cage r/d in the way.
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Originally Posted by blue_neon
I would actually say a medium cage should be fine...especially if your bike is faith you dont want a long cage r/d in the way.

it mostly depends on what his largest and smallest cog in the rear are, assuming that he has the the small and mid ring on the frnot right now
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i would recomend SRAM X.9 I have it and it has already won my heart, it's a great product
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Originally Posted by Gorsar
Kona is this guy a problem and you're trying to proving a point or something? I'm trying to figure out your reason for being a jerk to him.



He asks about specific products and your response is to suggest a $900 hub? Either he's guilty of in the past that annoyed you, you're in a foul mood, or I'm missing something all together.
Not being a jerk, just want to add something other than sram vs shimano.
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I don't think I want to drop 900 for a hub. I'm have it down to either sram rocket with an xt derailer or sram x9 with x9 derailer. Which, out of these two options is the best (I can get both for about $130)?
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Yes dont worry about the $900 hub, it is unnessesary IMO.

Sram X9 is a brilliant rear deraillure, probalby one of the best i've used due to its different mechanics (1:1 shifting) and smoothness of shifting. Definatley the better if you look at it that way compared to XT.
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I'd say get the X.9 shifters and rear derailleur. I'm currently running my old 8-speed XTR that I refuse to get rid of. I'll keep it until it dies. When it does, I'll probably go with the X.9.

The Rocket line allows you to use Sram Shifters with Shimano rear derailleur. It's performance has never been as good as either all Sram or all Shimano.

If you like Shimano, I don't see the need for any component above XT. XTR is overpriced. Same for the X.0 from Sram.

My opinions are still out on Shimano's Saint and Hone line. I saw that they've come out with Saint shifters. I'll try those out soon, but again. They'll probably be overpriced.

Oh yeah, Rohloff is 15 speed (if I remember right)
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So, i'm going to be running a SRAM PG950 11-34T 9 speed cassette with a 22t and 32t with a bashgaurd and dual ring roller in the front. Should I get a medium or long cage derailer. Also, Can I install the shifter and derailer my self, or should I have my lbs do it (I have unlimited tune ups, so if I could just get them mounted I would be golden).
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Also, I have a metal raceface evolve DH x type bash gaurd on right now. I can either get a dual ring roler for the bottom for like $70 or an e13 bashgaurd and dualring roler for like $175, Which should I go with? I am tired of chain dropage (but am keeping the dual front rings).
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I would say a medium cage, since you dont have that great of range of gears on the front, a medium should be fine, its also out of the way more then a long cage deraillure that can tend to get caught up in stuff.
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I think the "Free tune-ups" doesn't cover upgraded components. Maybe it does if you buy them from the same shop, but if you buy on-line, FORGET IT! I dunno. Ask them first.

However, I think you should learn how to adjust EVERYTHING on your bike. Getting new parts is a great opportunity. Before you install the new, take apart the existing, remove it and then re-install it. Learn how on your old stuff. That way if you screw up, you don't damage the new stuff. You can then take your new stuff (still in perfect shape) to the LBS and say "HELP"!

What I did when I first started was to buy the components and the tools I needed to install them. That way I built my tool box slowly, and learned along the way.

Oh yeah, I think the medium cage will be fine. Since you are eliminating the big ring, you won't need the "long".

Removing a rear derailleur will necessitate get a chain breaker. If you have a Shimano chain, you'll need to replace the "pin" with a new "special" one. If you have a Sram chain, you "should" have a power link.

In either case, I'd highly recommend getting a power link anyways in lieu of the Shimano "special pin". Sure, the Shimano and Sram literature says they aren't compatible, but I've had a Sram power link on a lot of my Shimano chains since the Power links first came out without any problems.
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If the parts are on my bike, why shouldn't they tune it? anyways, I have a Shimano HG53 chain, so i will look into the power link. What about the whole roller/bashgaurd thing? are there any other good systems that are compatible with dual ring set ups?
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They shouldn't tune it because you bought the parts from another shop, or online retailer. Therefore, the "free tune-ups" really only apply to the original parts. However, if you buy the new parts from the same shop that you bought your bike originally, then I would expect them to honor their policy.

If you are looking to keep your set-up as a 2x9, there are chainguides that will work. The E13 DRS is for a dual ring. So is the Blackspire Dewlie, and the MRP Long Range Patrol. Of the three, I like the E13 set-up.
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thanks for everyones help. If anyone has anymore opinions, keep them coming. I'm not goin to buy anything for like 2 weeks.
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I'm a sram guy myself, but recently I got a SHORT cage xt for my fr bike and having the short cage makes all the diffrence. I would say go for the short cage xt, but there kinda hard to find. Plus does it really matter for a fr bike like the faith????
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I'm a sram guy myself, but recently I got a SHORT cage xt for my fr bike and having the short cage makes all the diffrence. I would say go for the short cage xt, but there kinda hard to find. Plus does it really matter for a fr bike like the faith????
Depends on if you pedal a lot. I love a clean shifting fr bike. Only time I don't care is when I am shuttling only
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