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Old 06-06-06, 08:03 PM
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Opinions on Gary Fisher Hoo Koo e Koo, rockhopper comp, trek 6700, and giant xtc? I know the rockhopper is on everyone's favorite list, it's the cheapest of them, and it has the best fork, but what are opinions on the other bikes? Keep in mind im a trail / singletrack rider looking for a bike that can take a beating
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Old 06-06-06, 08:56 PM
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The Rockhopper Comp is a great bike for a do it all if you will, Treks are too XC oriented with their short travel forks (lower end forks) and heavily XC oriented geometry, the Rockhopper on the other hand is a bike that can swerve through singletrack and climb like a goat just to go downhill and go hucking and jumping like it means it, its a bit heavy but the components on it are really great (I especially like the fork, the brakes and the rims), it also handles very good and the frame has great geometry in my opinion.

However, I'm kind of a Rockhopper fan so I'm obviously going to lean towards the Rockhopper (besides, I'm not such an XC freak) but I've ridden a Trek 6500 with Mani Axel and Hayes 9 brakes and didn't like it too much, the HKEK looks similar except it has a Genesis geometry and the XTC also looks very XC oriented, I say if you are looking for a pure racing XC machine get the Trek or HKEK or XTC, if you are looking for a very strong, very nimble, with great components bike for going through everything in a day then go for the Rockhopper, it really is one versatile little bike, its a bit heavy but that isn't stopping me from smoking my friends on Treks, even on the climbs.
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Old 06-06-06, 09:29 PM
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Chone I realize that the OP asked for opinions and you did nothing but offer yours so I'm not trying to be mean. But WHAT? The HKEK (IMHO) is the best value of the three bikes mentioned. It has superior or equal components in every catagory and the frame is more than a little bit lighter. The same could be said for the 6700.

I don't honestly see how anyone could say the RH Comp is a better bike for the money. If someone prefers it that's one thing, but to say it's the better bike to me is simply WAY too biased.

Now for what is really the most important part. You named three bikes with 3 pretty drasticly different frames. All three are going to feel VERY different. The biggest difference of course being the GF because of the Genesis geometry. You need to ride all three of these bikes and see which one fits and feels the best to you. A cheaper bike that feels better will be ridden WAY more than a stellar, expensive, superior, (insert opinion here) bike that doesn't fit well.

Also, since you've got and are willing to spend the money if you like the Rockhopper check out the Pro. It's the same price as the other two (retail anyway) and puts it more in line with the HKEK and 6700.

My opinions aside I'm anxious to hear personal experience with these bikes. I was about to purchase a HKEK this spring before pre-buyers remorse set in. I figure I'll ride thru the summer on my low end Trek and if I STILL want the bike will find one on sale come fall. Regardless of your choice, good luck and enjoy it!
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Look at my post closely... I never ever said the Rockhopper was the better bike.
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Chone I realize that the OP asked for opinions and you did nothing but offer yours so I'm not trying to be mean. But WHAT? The HKEK (IMHO) is the best value of the three bikes mentioned. It has superior or equal components in every catagory and the frame is more than a little bit lighter. The same could be said for the 6700.
+1 on the Fish

The Rockhopper is actually NOT on everyone's favorite list. (not that my opinion matters) Of the 4 bikes the OP listed, the Rockhopper is probably in 4th place.

I don't know where this Manipoo Axel stuff came from 'cause the '06 bikes don't come with one.

Frame - My fav. would have to be the Fisher. I LOVE the Genesis Geometry. I have a HKEK, I love it!

Fork - Giant takes the cake here with the Recon...a step above the Tora. (which all the others have)

Derailleurs - Tough one. I have been running a complete LX group and love it. The HKEK is complete LX. The Rockhopper craps out here with an LX/Deore group. Trek is brainy about it and spec a Deore front which...who really cares if the front is LX or Deore, and then they go X.9 rear. Very smart. The Giant...all X.7. Probably better than the LX but not quite up to par with the Trek.

Cranks - XTC got some Raceface Ride's. Not bad for this level of bike.

Headsets are all equally crap.

Cockpit-I would probably have to be giving Giant the love on the Easton EA30 bars and ea50 stem and seatpost. Good move.

Wheels-Not sure here.

Brakes- Here's where the HKEK and 6700 really shine over the Crappily spec'd Rockhopper and XTC. I'm not getting in to disc over linear pull brakes in this thread, but the Hayes HFX-9 would be my choice over the other two linear pull spec'd bikes.

Over all, you can't really go wrong. All 3 bikes are very nice and would serve you well. The biggest things I see when I begin to compare (besides frame) are Fork (I hate stiction) and Cranks (pet peeve is flex). BTW as long as we're mentioning forks here. The Tora is basically a Pilot with 32mm tubes. My Pilot (coil with air assist) has leaked air off and on from day 1. I love the fork, it is very smooth for a bottom of the barrel fork, but I hate having to air it up all the time. The Recon would be a very welcome factor in choosing bikes.

The only reason I would prefer the HKEK in this comparison is because of the handling characteristics of the Genesis geometry. I love it. It really does help with traction on the climb, handling on the descents, and tricks/manuals/technical handling.

I used to have a Rockhopper A-1 FS Comp. I liked it, good bang for the buck. I'm not against Specialized. Quite the opposite actually. In this application however, there are clearly several advantages over the Rockhopper.
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A couple months ago when I was in the market for a new hardtail I was looking at the HKEK and the 6700. The 6700 was very nice, but I went with the HKEK because I liked the: (1) feel (2) light-and-upgrade-worthy-frame (3) finish (4) shimano over SRAM (personal preference)

To put it in perspective, a ZR9000 bike from trek is at least a few hundred more than the HKEK for the 8000. I decided to go with the Fisher and upgrade if I needed/wanted to...which is fun anyways...

Anyway, I have been very pleased with it. The only thing I may not be thrilled with are the stock tires...
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Nah, chone is just being a cheerleader for his bike. You notice how whenever you see someone ask about a various list of bikes the people who own a certain bike come out of hiding to endorse the bike they own. We have the bruiser cheerleaders, the rh comp cheerleaders, and many hardrock cheerleaders. Of course, this is all good and well to endorse the bike you own, but it not always may be the best bike in every situation.

Please, people don't take any offense by anything I've said. I have just been noticing this on bf, and felt like making a comment about. There is NOTHING wrong with it though.
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A couple months ago when I was in the market for a new hardtail I was looking at the HKEK and the 6700. The 6700 was very nice, but I went with the HKEK because I liked the: (1) feel (2) light-and-upgrade-worthy-frame (3) finish (4) shimano over SRAM (personal preference)

To put it in perspective, a ZR9000 bike from trek is at least a few hundred more than the HKEK for the 8000. I decided to go with the Fisher and upgrade if I needed/wanted to...which is fun anyways...

Anyway, I have been very pleased with it. The only thing I may not be thrilled with are the stock tires...

Can someone please explain to me the big difference between ZR900 and other grades?
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Can someone please explain to me the big difference between ZR900 and other grades?
It's lighter and supposedly stronger.
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It's lighter and supposedly stronger.

Stronger meaning more stiff or stronger meaning can take a beating?
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
Stronger meaning more stiff or stronger meaning can take a beating?
I'm hoping both.

Here's a nifty graph from Trek:



http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/...9000/home.html
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I'm not farmlilier with the Gary Fisher.

I would recommened bikes, but I can only tell you that Trek 6700 is overpriced. And apparetnly the US version of the XtC is all messed up compared to the AUS series so i can't commenet there, and i'm not too sure about the US Spec Rockhopper.

Well that didn't really help much...sorry
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Thanks for the link, Tag.....
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
Can someone please explain to me the big difference between ZR900 and other grades?
ZR9000 is the first aluminum to be made specifically for bikes. All other aluminums have been made for some other purpose and bike manufacturers are adapting them to their frames.

ZR 9000 is lighter and stronger as posted above.
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