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Old 11-04-06, 08:45 PM
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Fox Forks, Need Input

As my riding speed has increased, the limitations of the Manitou Splice are beginning to show. The most noticable problem is the "twitching" the fork does when I'm crossing an obstacle and the "jumping" the for does over rooty sections of the trail. So I think its time to upgrade to something better than a entry level fork. I'm looking at some Fox F100 RL, RLC and RLT shocks on ebay. But I have two concerns. The first is, reviews of Fox Float shocks is they leak oil, frequently. I'd like to know if anyone has had that problem. My second concern is my weight. I'm just over the clyde limit at 209lbs. Can a FOX handle that weight or will that cause the oil leak problem. Also, does anyone know the difference between the RL, RLC, or RLT models.
I ride a 05 Specialized FSR XC, Comp with a Manitou Splice. The picture below was taken when it was new. It has a few wear marks now and clipless have been added.
I ride technical trails jumping logs, rocks, the usual stuff, I don't do jumps, at least not on purpose.
Any input on the Fox forks I've mentioned or any other model of Fox forks is appreciated. My budget is about $250 to 300 so a new FOX fork is probably not a reality.
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Old 11-04-06, 09:02 PM
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I have had a lot of oil leakage problems with a Fox Vanilla. I have a friend who has had the same problem with a Talas. From my experience with Fox I would look at something else.
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Originally Posted by C-V
Have you looked at Marzocchi? Their midrange forks are in your price range, and Marz is known for being a very good quality fork at a decent price.
No, I have not looked at Marzocchi recently. A while ago I had looked at the bomber series but decided not to pursue them because they were considered very "stiff", not smooth or plush like the Fox. But that may be incorrect. Do the Marzacchi's have the same smooth ride reputation that Fox has? If yes, which model should I consider? Thanks for the response.
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
I have had a lot of oil leakage problems with a Fox Vanilla. I have a friend who has had the same problem with a Talas. From my experience with Fox I would look at something else.
Thanks for the response, I was hoping the other reviews were wrong. Looks like they're right.
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If you are going to look at Marzocchi's try to stay away from the 2005 models. They seemed to have more problems that year than all other years combined. I had terrible luck with the 2005 I had.
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Hmmm, I guess I'm learning about forks. I thought I wanted plush, but both of my Manitou's, the Splice on the FSR XC Comp and the Axel on my Rockhopper (that I share with my son) have the optional stiffer springs. I run the Splice at max stiff and the Axel at about 80%. Still, I think I need to try a better designed, higher end fork. Interesting that C-V hasn't had any leakage problems with the Fox. Thanks C-V for comments about Marzocchi. If there are any more comments, I'm very interested in both fork manufacturers also considering Rock Shox such as SID.
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I've had my Fox F100x for over a year now and it hasn't leaked a drop of oil so far. I have had my F80x for a month or so, still very early but no problems yet. I will say that their is a huge difference in the two forks, the 2007's "lockout" works much better than the 2006's.
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+1 for Marzocchi; I have an 05.5 EXR air/85mm - came stock on my bike. It's a bit heavy, BUT bear in mind this is a real bottom-feeding OEM fork, not made in Europe; mine now has about 6-7000kms on it; it's very 'plush' w/o bobbing around or bottoming out too much, and has NEVER gone out of adjustment. Literally; I set the air pressure when I got it, and have never needed to top-up. Have had the oil changed once, after a year, and it was pretty much clean (though the service was/is a good idea anyway). FWIW.
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+2 for Marzocchi. Even though I had been using a pretty low end Marzocchi {it's gone now}, it performed like it should and I never had any issues with maintenance.
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I ride with five Fox fork users, and no problems whatsoever with any of us.
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Old 11-05-06, 08:34 PM
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No complaints with my Fox (07 32 Talas RLC). 2 guys at my shop run 36 Talas, and another 40 RC2, no complaints.
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Originally Posted by C-V
Have you looked at Marzocchi? Their midrange forks are in your price range, and Marz is known for being a very good quality fork at a decent price.
I ride a Marz pro MX w/ ETA, and I loved it! Easily adjustable and the ETA does a good job at stiiffening the fork uphill(no bobbing off the seat)! My friend runs a Fox RLC and I know Fox makes great shocks(I'm from a motobike background), you can't go wrong w/ either! Good luck
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I have a Fox 100 RLT. It's the best part on my bike.
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I have a Fox Vanilla R 130 and it has not leaked a drop. It's hands down the best fork or suspension product of any kind that I have ever owned.

I have a 2006 Rockshox Tora 318 Solo SL on my other bike. I have only had it for around 3 months, but it performs very well. The only downside is it's weight @ around 4lbs. It's not anywhere close to the smoothness of my Fox Vanilla, but it's not meant to be. It's air sprung. The Fox is coil.

The new motion control lockout is so much nicer than the '05 on the RS. I can actually feel it working.

If I were you, I'd go with a Rockshox Reba. As one recent tester wrote "The Reba is one of the most underestimated trial forks around." It is nice and light, the damper is very effective, and it is much cheaper than a comparable Fox.

Check out the Revelation too.
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hey, your budget is not too wide, so unless you get a good deal on a fox i would recommend to seriously think about rockshox. the reba is above your budget, but cheaper than a new fox, so if you can up your budget to around 400 dollars or so, that would be a very good buy imo. if you look around online, some stores might even have a 06 reba for cheaper. im sure it is possible to get an all travel reba for around 350.

if you dont find a good deal on a reba, id suggest a recon fork. i bought mine for the thai baht equivalent of 230 us dollars. its a coil fork, with motion control, compression and rebound adjustment (which are decently wide, though not as much range as the pike/reba air i saw in the shop). the recon is a little heavy i guess but no heavier than your current forks for sure. i came off an axel to the recon and i am loving it man.
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Well I have a marz dirtjam comp and I hate it, it is stiff and jerky as a ***** yet it doesnt absorb big hits well, it's the worst of both worlds and I'm looking for a better fork at the moment.
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For the budget I also suggest the RockShox Recon. I just bought an '07 Recon 351 for my wife and it handles the rough stuff very nicely. I've got a Fox 100 RLC on my Stumpjumper FSR and no leak in 30 months and a couple of thousand rough miles. It's a great shock, but Fox is expensive and the 351 is a better value. It has 32 mm tubes like Fox.

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My 2006 F100R has not leaked a drop of oil and holds air well after 4 months of hard riding.
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Originally Posted by roccobike
As my riding speed has increased, the limitations of the Manitou Splice are beginning to show. The most noticable problem is the "twitching" the fork does when I'm crossing an obstacle and the "jumping" the for does over rooty sections of the trail. So I think its time to upgrade to something better than a entry level fork. I'm looking at some Fox F100 RL, RLC and RLT shocks on ebay. But I have two concerns. The first is, reviews of Fox Float shocks is they leak oil, frequently. I'd like to know if anyone has had that problem. My second concern is my weight. I'm just over the clyde limit at 209lbs. Can a FOX handle that weight or will that cause the oil leak problem. Also, does anyone know the difference between the RL, RLC, or RLT models.
I ride a 05 Specialized FSR XC, Comp with a Manitou Splice. The picture below was taken when it was new. It has a few wear marks now and clipless have been added.
I ride technical trails jumping logs, rocks, the usual stuff, I don't do jumps, at least not on purpose.
Any input on the Fox forks I've mentioned or any other model of Fox forks is appreciated. My budget is about $250 to 300 so a new FOX fork is probably not a reality.
I have 3 fox forks and I love em all. Im not a Marzocci fan, but for your application and use you may want to consider the mid range model with ETA. They are a bit heavier then Fox, but that shouldnt be an issue. For what it worth, Im 195 and totally prefer the coil forks over the air. Just way plusher ride.
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I have an '05 Marzocchi MX Comp w/ ETA. I think it's the best upgrade I have ever done to my bike('01 GF Tassajara). I would not hesitate to buy another Marz fork. In fact I hope to put one on a 29er next year.
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Fox is a little hard at your price range but you can try ebay for that. You should be able to find a decent mint condition Fox for 300 USD no problem. Vanilla only tho at your price range.
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The Fox F100 on the Dawg in my sig has a bit of a leak...nothing major though. I'd still get another Fox.

Like others have suggested, check out the Rockshox line...if you can find a Reba in your price range, then great. Otherwise, look for the lower models as others have suggested. A lot of people I ride with (including myself) have been really happy with the new RS forks.
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The advice of the people who haven't had their fork break is good. However, I am in that small/medium fraction of people who had their FOX fork disappoint them. In maintainance, it has cost me 180 dollars plus in my <1 year of riding it. The shims broke and with the LBS service, that cost me 140 dollars w/ tax. Currently, the fork's steerer tube/crown interface is creaking, and I have been very disapointed in my FOX. Oh yeah, and the fork DID leak oil, so I had to replace the seals with enduro seals...

which suck/blow/anything else that describes their crappiness. They have high stiction and keep lube out. They basically just scrape everything off the stanchions, which is good for the internals, but reduces performance, which is what the fox is about. Also, because the seal is so tight on the stanchions, I've started to see the seals start wearing the colour off of the stanchions a teeny bit, and considering this fork does flex a bit, the pressure of the seals would be uneven on the front/back of stanchions, which lead to more colour wear there.

Save a couple hundred and buy a used PIKE or take someone else's reccomendation. If you're lucky, your FOX will be fine and leak oil. If you're not, expect to pay high maintainance prices.
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Originally Posted by hooligan
They have high stiction and keep lube out. They basically just scrape everything off the stanchions, which is good for the internals, but reduces performance, which is what the fox is about. Also, because the seal is so tight on the stanchions, I've started to see the seals start wearing the colour off of the stanchions a teeny bit, and considering this fork does flex a bit, the pressure of the seals would be uneven on the front/back of stanchions, which lead to more colour wear there.

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Yours must just be defective, or the newer ones have problems. Mine has cost me nothing until I did the 200 hr oil change. Striction is low, especially if you follow the Fox maintenance schedule on the dust seals. My tubes look like new after about 2000 miles. No scratches and no wear. I do XC in the mountains and in Florida sandy soil.

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