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Old 11-29-06, 11:46 AM
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All mountain bike convert

background: I am a hardtail fan. the more I am riding the more I am coming close to the conclusion that I am a All Moutain/XC type rider. I like the comfort and durability of an all mountain type set up, and the efficiency/handling of XC style. I think the Santa Cruz Chameleon with an XC oriented setting is my ultimate bike. But, I dont have the money to execute that project right now. May be in another year and a half.

Now, I was thinking if I could convert my Kona Cinder Cone 2005 to my All Mountain/XC bike...

here is the original specs of the bike:

http://www.konaworld.com/shopping_ca...0&parentid=182

although I have changed a few things here and there:

Drivetrain: SRAM x.7

Handle Bar: FSA FR-270, Riser bar with 1.5" rise

Stem: FSA FR-200, 90mm with 6º rise

Brakes: Hayes HFX-9 Disc Brake with 8" rotor

Tires: WTB Timberwolf 2.3

Fork: it has a Marzocchi MZ Race 100mm......I would like to get something with a lock out or ETA and I dont want to go beyond 120mm travel....suggestions please...

thanks for your kind help...
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Old 11-29-06, 12:35 PM
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also, will the 69º head tube angle and 71º seat tube angle be helpful for an all-mountain convert or will it be more of a negative factor....

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not sure about angles but you could throw a pike u-turn on the front and adjust the travel how you like. Just got one. great fork.
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Originally Posted by sherpaPeak
also, will the 69º head tube angle and 71º seat tube angle be helpful for an all-mountain convert or will it be more of a negative factor....

thanks.
I don't know much about much, but from previous experience building bent trikes, the more angled a steering casing, the more the bike will lean with less input from the rider. This can be compared to a cars kingpin castor angle, where more castor angle results in more camber at the front wheels as a result of more steering input.
Wether leaning is more effective then pure turning on an XC is something I don't have an opinion on. Rider preference?

What I will say though is that my friends Cindercone is McAwesome and I think it handles well
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Old 11-30-06, 07:24 AM
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the angles are fine, the slightly shallower head anlge will just mean the bike will prefer decending rather then ascending.

fork recomendations - rockshox reba, or a recon if you want adjustable travel. the previous pike suggestion is good but - youd need a 20mm bolt through front hub/wheel to go wit it = more £££/$$$

any 100mm fork over the £150/250$ mark will be far better then the mz race currently fitted.
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Old 11-30-06, 07:32 AM
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Plenty of forks out there in the 100-120mm range; take your pick. With that bike, and running a not much taller fork, the next thing I'd suggest would be a shorter stem. If you're planning on a new frame that would be able to handle it, A Pike is a nice burly hardtail fork; run it lower in travel on this bike, then you'll have ti for the new frame later.

Try a 70mm and see what you think. Since you cant' really get that bike too much slacker, a shorter stem can help with getting your weight shifted back for the techy bits.

Play around with larger tires too, they can make a huge difference in ride quality. I really like the Panaracer Fire FR 2.4" and Kenda Blue Groove 2.5" for nice beefy tires up front, that don't weight a ton. that can help beef up the front end without going to a larger fork.
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Old 11-30-06, 09:36 AM
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great suggestions guys..........thank you so much......keep em coming...

I am not very familier with Rock Shoks recent/better forks. I have used their duke and pilot (4/5 years old)....I will add that in my list.....

Previously, I was considering Marzocchi MX Pro with ETA (100-120 mm) and All-mountain 2 (130mm)....but my dealer things if I put the AM 2 on it (130mm), it will void my warranty. But, I dont really care, if it makes my fide significantly better than the Reba/recon/MX Pro. At this point I am not considering pike because of the 20mm front axel....

thanks for your suggestion on the stem....any particular stem you would suggest?
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Old 11-30-06, 11:25 AM
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Eh, just one thing... it's really nice to think about the travel but did you just thing about the feeling, stiffness, damping.... In fact, even if I'm a huge fan of Marzo, we all have to admit that the open bath is no longer the best damping on the market. I think about Rock Shox who made tons of R&D and now come with the reba or the revelation as one of the best fork on the market...

I don't really want to changed your mind, but consider that fact cause I've try a pike, a reba and a revelation and they are all better fork than my All mountain 1.

Also, you should take a look over the manitou minute, pretty good fork and almost all the bike shop still have some decent deal on last year model...
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Old 11-30-06, 11:30 AM
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thanks for helping me with the technical info........I will try the rock shox line.....

I have not had good luck with Manitou.....I had several forks leaking......and they needed more attention than my Fox or Marzocchi forks...
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do you think this fork would work for my set up.......

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...e+Fork+05.aspx
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