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Old 11-29-06, 06:55 PM
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Weight difference b/n Kona Cinder Cone and Caldera

I cant seem to find out this info from the web, so I thought I would ask it here.

I know that the Caldera is la good bit ighter than the Blast... but I cant seem to find out if the Cinder Cone and the Blast are the same "aluminum" or the CinderCone and the Caldera the same...

Does anyone know if the Cinder Cone and the Caldera are the same "aluminum" and same weight?

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Old 11-29-06, 06:56 PM
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caldera is heavier
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the frames are the exact same. any difference would be in the components.
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I think that the frames are identical (except for the paint jobs) Theweight difference is in componentry.

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Old 11-29-06, 07:12 PM
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.......Hmmmmmmm,do we have another wheelhot?
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.......Hmmmmmmm,do we have another wheelhot?
There is only one wheelhot!
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So is the Blast is different aluminum than both the Caldera and Cinder Cone (which are the same)?
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All the same i believe.
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hmm, there would be superbly slight difference between the two frames.....comparing the amount of paint used, less paintwork = slight difference in weight. Lets hope I got this correct
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How much better is the Marz MZRace fork on the Caldera than the Rockshox Dart2 on the CinderCone.
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I though its MX not MZ?
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Originally Posted by wheelhot
hmm, there would be superbly slight difference between the two frames.....comparing the amount of paint used, less paintwork = slight difference in weight. Lets hope I got this correct
wow.
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Originally Posted by wheelhot
I though its MX not MZ?
typo on my part... you are correct
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Is there any better spec'd bike at below $675 than the Cinder Cone?
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well, I remember reading about that in MBAction, forget the issue no. They say that you can lose some very minimal weight by pulling off all the decals on your bike, now thats a REAL Weight Weenie. , thank got me and LowCel is not in that category
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Originally Posted by Crue4
Is there any better spec'd bike at below $675 than the Cinder Cone?
Yes. Well, there was in the 2006 lineups when i was shopping, i dont know about 2007. I looked very closely at the cinder cone/caldera for a while but decided against it. Infact, when i looked at Kona hardtails in general, i found that you didn't get the bang for buck that some other brands offered.
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Originally Posted by Flak
Yes. Well, there was in the 2006 lineups when i was shopping, i dont know about 2007. I looked very closely at the cinder cone/caldera for a while but decided against it. Infact, when i looked at Kona hardtails in general, i found that you didn't get the bang for buck that some other brands offered.

Would love to know what models that you found gave you more bang for the buck... as this purchase for me will probably have to last me for years and years...
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I found IronHorse and Specialized in the 2006 lineup gave much more for the dollar. I too was on a limited budget and shopped for quite a while as i knew i wouldnt have the resources to make another purchase for a while.

Eventually, i saved an extra $100 and that moved me into a position to be able to buy the bike i wanted. I ended up with a Rockhopper comp disc, but nearly went with the regular rockhopper comp. Unfortunatly, the RH in 07 is slightly downgraded, so im not sure how it stacks up against 07 Konas. In the end i decided that most bikes in my range were all essentially the same, some had better brakes, others had better forks, others still had better drive train. I decided fork was most important (assuming i liked the frame) and went with the RH that came with the Tora 318...far and away better than the marz mz-3 that came on the cinder cone, and still better than the mz-2 that came on the caldera. IronHorse is worth a look too if you can find them....i nearly got one.

Don't be swayed by drivetrain stuff i reckon. I run LX, it works fine. Yeah the caldara came with XT and hfx-9 hydros...but the fork on the RH was worth more to me, and im happy with LX until it breaks, and the bb5's stop me well enough.
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I checked out the specs on the RH... at $650... slightly better fork but is running Acera and Alivio instead of LX and Deore on the Cinder Cone... I guess like you said.. very similar... little better in one area a little less in another..
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Consider though that replacing a RD is alot cheaper than replacing a fork.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo
I think that the frames are identical (except for the paint jobs) Theweight difference is in componentry.

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in 2005, the caldera had a lighter color paint job, which means that it is a lighter frame.
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Originally Posted by junkyard
in 2005, the caldera had a lighter color paint job, which means that it is a lighter frame.
That is correct. You should also note that the sun reflecting off of the lighter color will propel it forward at a greater velocity.
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That is correct. You should also note that the sun reflecting off of the lighter color will propel it forward at a greater velocity.
Absolutely, but the effects of this vary by time of day and season.
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Back in my bmx days, a kid on a powerlight told me that his bike was so light because it used hollow frame tubes.
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Originally Posted by mcoine
Back in my bmx days, a kid on a powerlight told me that his bike was so light because it used hollow frame tubes.
We are now talking about Kona's. Good bikes allround but What does it matter about weight when it has 5lbs of mud on it- the tyres have been changed to Downhill spec 2.5's and the Saddle bag is a large one to carry the sandwiches in for the 8Hour ride across the hills.

Was a Kona rider and would have bought again but they are not the bike they used to be. The other manufacturers are making bikes just as good nowadays. Mind you- I still have my 10 year old Explosif and will not part with it(Also have the Dale and the Bianchi and the Giant)
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