I'm so confused now. I need help on purchasing my first MTB.
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I'm so confused now. I need help on purchasing my first MTB.
The past two days I've been riding an '07 Specialized Epic Expert, a $3000 rig. The first day I pretty much hated it. Couldn't get the thing to go. It felt slow, sluggish, and hard to handle. So after the first day I was thinking definitely buying a hardtail. But then I made some minor fit adjustments and got used to the shocks, the handling, and did much better on it. Still wasn't as fast as I'd like to be on some of the uphills and flats but I think some clip-in pedals will make a noticeable difference. I was very thankful for the suspension too on a couple somewhat scary downhills. So after the second day I'm not sure if I really want a hardtail now. Not sure how I would have handled those steep downhills with the rocks, dips, and ruts without the rear suspension.
However, my real dilemma is price! I simply can't afford a $3000 MTB!! Plus, although the Epic was fun and I know the components are good, there's just no way that bike is worth $3000. And I don't want a $3000 MTB after what I put it through today. At one point we came to a dead end on this "squirrel" trail and there was nowhere to go except over a 6' across, 12' deep ravine or backtracking 5 miles. Well, we ended up having to literally throw our bikes across the ravine! Yikes, I would certainly not do that to a $3000 MTB if it were actually mine.
So, long story short, I no longer know what to buy. Hardtail? Full suspension XC? Full suspension all mountain? I'm tempted to buy a cheap hardtail from Performance for $350 and just beat the heck out of it. I'm so confused now.
However, my real dilemma is price! I simply can't afford a $3000 MTB!! Plus, although the Epic was fun and I know the components are good, there's just no way that bike is worth $3000. And I don't want a $3000 MTB after what I put it through today. At one point we came to a dead end on this "squirrel" trail and there was nowhere to go except over a 6' across, 12' deep ravine or backtracking 5 miles. Well, we ended up having to literally throw our bikes across the ravine! Yikes, I would certainly not do that to a $3000 MTB if it were actually mine.
So, long story short, I no longer know what to buy. Hardtail? Full suspension XC? Full suspension all mountain? I'm tempted to buy a cheap hardtail from Performance for $350 and just beat the heck out of it. I'm so confused now.
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Okay, how much do you want to spend? I think for about half of what you were looking at, you would get a really sweet hardtail or a decent full-suspension. I don't remember if you were looking for XC riding or some hucking. If you're looking at XC you can look at the Kona FS bikes. There are several and I don't remember the price-points vs. variants but you should check them out at https://konaworld.com
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Originally Posted by TCR
At one point we came to a dead end on this "squirrel" trail and there was nowhere to go except over a 6' across, 12' deep ravine or backtracking 5 miles. Well, we ended up having to literally throw our bikes across the ravine! Yikes, I would certainly not do that to a $3000 MTB if it were actually mine.
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Originally Posted by santiago
Okay, how much do you want to spend?
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I don't remember if you were looking for XC riding or some hucking.
I just don't know. I loved the hydraulic rear brake and Fox F100 RL front fork seemd to work good. And what's the deal with hydraulic front brakes? Seems like way overkill and unnecessary weight. I just don't know how much I'd miss the "Specialized Fox Brain Fade rear shock" on the downhills. I certainly wouldn't miss the added weight or the flexy power loss from it on the climbs.
I'm thinking I need a light hardtail frame with a rear hydraulic brake and a decent front fork with some cheap front breaks.
Is there a huge difference between hardtails frames? For example, Specialized has a complete bike Hardrock XC for a measly $330. But then they have an S-Works M5 HT, frame only, for $1100. And then again, they have a Stumpjumper Hardtail, complete bike, for $1400. Those are 3 different hardtail frames, all the same frame material I think but yet there's huge differences in price. Why not just buy a GT Avalanche hardtail for $300? How much worse could the ride be on this $300 GT than the $3000 Epic XC I've been riding?
* GT Triple Triangle Design aluminum frame for increased pedaling efficiency and less road vibration
* 75mm of smooth, plush, front suspension for added control and comfort on the trail
* Dependable Shimano components
* Tektro Disc brakes provide low maintenance, all-weather stopping power
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Originally Posted by Indolent58
So you threw someone else's $3000 bike across a ravine... Hmmm, I don't think I want you borrowing my stuff
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erm, if you are planning to spend around $1000, why do you tested a 3k Specialized Epic then? just wondering
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Okay, let's talk about drops. How high were your drops? 2' and under, and you're still in XC territory. If you're dropping off of boulders then you are getting into All-mountain territory. What was the rear travel for the bike you rode? Was it 4", 5" or 6"? I'm not familiar with the Specialized line so you'll have to tell me.
However, if your budget is $1000 you are looking at a new hardtail. You can get a decent used full suspension for the same money but let's figure out what kind of riding you intend to do. You mentioned fireroads and climbing so I think you're leaning towards XC.
Don't get hung up on the brakes. For a good entry level price you can use mechanical Avid BB7 brakes that will be fine. Btw, you want the stronger brakes on the front otherwise you're likely skidding and that's a no-no.
As for the Specialized hardtails you referenced. S-works is the race machine. It likely is Scadium. The Hard Rock is a decent entry all-purpose bike (a little urban, a little trail riding, etc.) and is probably regular 7005 aluminum. The Stumpjumper from what I remember is a higher-spec'ed dedicated XC bike.
However, if your budget is $1000 you are looking at a new hardtail. You can get a decent used full suspension for the same money but let's figure out what kind of riding you intend to do. You mentioned fireroads and climbing so I think you're leaning towards XC.
Don't get hung up on the brakes. For a good entry level price you can use mechanical Avid BB7 brakes that will be fine. Btw, you want the stronger brakes on the front otherwise you're likely skidding and that's a no-no.
As for the Specialized hardtails you referenced. S-works is the race machine. It likely is Scadium. The Hard Rock is a decent entry all-purpose bike (a little urban, a little trail riding, etc.) and is probably regular 7005 aluminum. The Stumpjumper from what I remember is a higher-spec'ed dedicated XC bike.
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Well, I wouldn't worry about throwing your bike over a ravine every day. $3k is a ton of coin though. Buying on Craigslist could probably yield you the same or very similar bike to the Epic for half or less. They just don't hold their value due to the fact that they are mtn bikes. Nobody knows what they've been through. But probably 90% of the people that buy them ride them on the road, maybe even pulling a kiddie trailer!
I have both a hardtail and a full sus. I'm thinking of giving away my hardtail.
I have both a hardtail and a full sus. I'm thinking of giving away my hardtail.
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Originally Posted by wheelhot
erm, if you are planning to spend around $1000, why do you tested a 3k Specialized Epic then? just wondering
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aww, I see. Kay gotcha, hmm check MTBR for some full sussers at your price range and see what people say bout it
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Originally Posted by santiago
Okay, let's talk about drops. How high were your drops? 2' and under, and you're still in XC territory. If you're dropping off of boulders then you are getting into All-mountain territory. What was the rear travel for the bike you rode? Was it 4", 5" or 6"? I'm not familiar with the Specialized line so you'll have to tell me.
Originally Posted by santiago
However, if your budget is $1000 you are looking at a new hardtail. You can get a decent used full suspension for the same money but let's figure out what kind of riding you intend to do. You mentioned fireroads and climbing so I think you're leaning towards XC.
Originally Posted by santiago
Btw, you want the stronger brakes on the front otherwise you're likely skidding and that's a no-no.
Originally Posted by santiago
As for the Specialized hardtails you referenced. S-works is the race machine. It likely is Scadium. The Hard Rock is a decent entry all-purpose bike (a little urban, a little trail riding, etc.) and is probably regular 7005 aluminum. The Stumpjumper from what I remember is a higher-spec'ed dedicated XC bike.
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Originally Posted by TCR
OK, no drops. I certainly don't plan on playing around on boulders and dropping of cliffs. Guess all mountain isn't necessary. The Epic has a unique little 4" suspension thing going on. Pic below.
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Yea, I think so too. I just don't want to eat shiite on some fast rutted downhill because I have no rear suspension. I just don't know how much different a hardtail would feel on the downhills I did today.
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I don't understand this part. The ONLY time I was using the front brake all day was playing around in the parking lot practicing my endos. Those hydraulic disk brakes grab and hold like crazy. That was awesome for the back but pretty much useless for the front.
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Well, from a road bike background, Scandium is nothing more than hype. 7005-Al and 105 components are just fine. Also, the MTB I buy is pretty much only going to get used in the winter for cross training and when I get bored of riding my roadie.
Okay, so you seem to only want to use this bike occasionally and you said you'd prefer spending half of $1000. My calculator tells me that's about $500. For what you're looking at, I think you should go try a hardtail like a Trek 4300, Gary Fisher Marlin, Kona Cinder Cone or Specialized Hard Rock. See if your budget can take include the Specialized Rockhopper hardtail as I think that may be a good fit for you. Find a LBS that carries these lines and try test rides so see how they feel.
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have you been HERE looking for info? if not, i highly recommend it! there a LOT good info there! just dig in and start reading!
as for your dilema..... i had/have the hardrock and had a BLAST on it.... however i just got the new stumpy FSR expert (i, personally didn't care for the epic).... i wanted the brain of the expert so chose that over the comp!
you may just want to get the cheap $300 bike for now... put it through it's paces... enjoy it... not worry if you have to throw it! lol!
then down the road if you think you want or need and FSR... then get one...
HOWEVER.... knowing you have back problems... you'll probably benefit from the FSR... however you can't go too cheaply on an FSR... i wouldn't go lower than the comp (which is a VERY popular bike!)
good luck on your search and check out MTBR, if you already haven't!
p.s. just saw someone else recommended MTBR!
also... i LOVE my BB7 hydraulics!!!**********? MUCH better than the V breaks, IMO!
as for your dilema..... i had/have the hardrock and had a BLAST on it.... however i just got the new stumpy FSR expert (i, personally didn't care for the epic).... i wanted the brain of the expert so chose that over the comp!
you may just want to get the cheap $300 bike for now... put it through it's paces... enjoy it... not worry if you have to throw it! lol!
then down the road if you think you want or need and FSR... then get one...
HOWEVER.... knowing you have back problems... you'll probably benefit from the FSR... however you can't go too cheaply on an FSR... i wouldn't go lower than the comp (which is a VERY popular bike!)
good luck on your search and check out MTBR, if you already haven't!
p.s. just saw someone else recommended MTBR!
also... i LOVE my BB7 hydraulics!!!**********? MUCH better than the V breaks, IMO!
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Originally Posted by Indolent58
So you threw someone else's $3000 bike across a ravine... Hmmm, I don't think I want you borrowing my stuff
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Originally Posted by TCR
Still wasn't as fast as I'd like to be on some of the uphills and flats but I think some clip-in pedals will make a noticeable difference. I was very thankful for the suspension too on a couple somewhat scary downhills. So after the second day I'm not sure if I really want a hardtail now. Not sure how I would have handled those steep downhills with the rocks, dips, and ruts without the rear suspension.
However, my real dilemma is price! I simply can't afford a $3000 MTB!! Well, we ended up having to literally throw our bikes across the ravine! Yikes, I would certainly not do that to a $3000 MTB if it were actually mine.
So, long story short, I no longer know what to buy. Hardtail? Full suspension XC? Full suspension all mountain? I'm tempted to buy a cheap hardtail from Performance for $350 and just beat the heck out of it. I'm so confused now.
However, my real dilemma is price! I simply can't afford a $3000 MTB!! Well, we ended up having to literally throw our bikes across the ravine! Yikes, I would certainly not do that to a $3000 MTB if it were actually mine.
So, long story short, I no longer know what to buy. Hardtail? Full suspension XC? Full suspension all mountain? I'm tempted to buy a cheap hardtail from Performance for $350 and just beat the heck out of it. I'm so confused now.
Buy a real cheap bike until you are able to backtrack those 5-miles. I'd never throw my bike no matter what.
If you want speed, stay away from all-mountain bikes which generally weigh too much. Go to a XC bike. I saw a nice Specialized FSR type in a bike shop recently for about $1200. You can upgrade as parts wear out or as needed. My FSR started out as a $1600 list bike (bought for roughly $1300), but I've got a total of $2500 plus in it in three years. It weighs very close to 28 lbs and that's without super light tires.
Hardtail or not, you should be off the seat on fast downhills. Hard tails do just fine except for the seated comfort factor and wheel-hop on technical climbs.
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the one thing that im worried about XC bikes nowadays are the durability of the frame
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If you thought the Epic was flexy and power robbing on the climbs, you probably will want to stay with a hardtail
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Originally Posted by womble
Exactly what I thought. If I borrow gear, I take better care of it than I would my own.
You also need to understand my mindset at the time of the ravine throw. I was 3 hours into a ride, completely exhausted from spending the last hour trying to climb out of this gully on a squirrel trail. And to top it off my chain had already broke earlier in the day. What's up with that crap? A $3000 bike and the chain snaps? Plus, before I even got out on the trail I had to realign the front disc brake because it was rubbing and howling like a banshee and the FD was all out of whack. The bike shop gave me a bike that obviously was in need of a tune up.
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erm, did you remove the wheel and put it back? And what kind of discs are you using?. Hmm, I know there is a rider in my group and her chain broke on the first day ride. Not her day though. And you got to test ride the 3k epic? I guess maybe the shop has lent it too many riders and dont bother to tune it up.
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Originally Posted by wheelhot
erm, did you remove the wheel and put it back? And what kind of discs are you using?. Hmm, I know there is a rider in my group and her chain broke on the first day ride. Not her day though. And you got to test ride the 3k epic? I guess maybe the shop has lent it too many riders and dont bother to tune it up.
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Originally Posted by caligurl
also... i LOVE my BB7 hydraulics!!!**********? MUCH better than the V breaks, IMO!
OP, if your budget weren't limited to $1,000, I'd say you're a perfect candidate for a Specialized Epic or FSR XC. The FSR XC is closer to your budget, though. Get yourself the best hardtail you can find for your budget. You won't be disappointed. If you go low-end, you'll end up spending a bunch of cash switching to a 9-speed drivetrain and nicer wheels, fork, and brakes. Might as well do it right the first time. If you can stretch your budget a bit, the Stumpjumper is a great value for a fast XC hardtail.
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Originally Posted by Curtis_Elwood
If you can stretch your budget a bit, the Stumpjumper is a great value for a fast XC hardtail.
It retails for $1400 but I can get it for a lot less.
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Originally Posted by Curtis_Elwood
BB7's are not hydraulic brakes. They're mechanical.
OP, if your budget weren't limited to $1,000, I'd say you're a perfect candidate for a Specialized Epic or FSR XC. The FSR XC is closer to your budget, though. Get yourself the best hardtail you can find for your budget. You won't be disappointed. If you go low-end, you'll end up spending a bunch of cash switching to a 9-speed drivetrain and nicer wheels, fork, and brakes. Might as well do it right the first time. If you can stretch your budget a bit, the Stumpjumper is a great value for a fast XC hardtail.
OP, if your budget weren't limited to $1,000, I'd say you're a perfect candidate for a Specialized Epic or FSR XC. The FSR XC is closer to your budget, though. Get yourself the best hardtail you can find for your budget. You won't be disappointed. If you go low-end, you'll end up spending a bunch of cash switching to a 9-speed drivetrain and nicer wheels, fork, and brakes. Might as well do it right the first time. If you can stretch your budget a bit, the Stumpjumper is a great value for a fast XC hardtail.
FRONT BRAKE Avid Juicy 7, hydraulic disc, G2 Clean Sweep S/M: 185mm rotor, L/XL: 200mm rotor
REAR BRAKE Avid Juicy 7, hydraulic disc, G2 Clean Sweep S/M: 160mm rotor, L/XL: 185mm rotor
REAR BRAKE Avid Juicy 7, hydraulic disc, G2 Clean Sweep S/M: 160mm rotor, L/XL: 185mm rotor
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Originally Posted by caligurl
hmmmmmmm i guess specialized has a typo on their site then..... according to them my 2007 stumpy expert has jucy 7 hydrulics.... (i guess i called them BB and should have said avid?)
Avid Juicy 7 are hydraulic brakes.
You have Juicy 7s so you have hydraulic brakes.
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Originally Posted by TCR
I'm currently eying this one:
It retails for $1400 but I can get it for a lot less.
It retails for $1400 but I can get it for a lot less.