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Old 01-04-07, 11:51 PM
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Roadie looking at getting first HT MB help please

First post here in the MB forum. Rather than get a crappy FS, I have decided to go with a good HT for my first real mountain bike. So I am looking at getting a HT trailbike (for cross country) and need some ideas on how much to spend. I was hoping to get away with spending under $1000 on it. So if you have any ideas let me know. I should add that I love speed and love to climb like a mountain goat. This bike is going to be for epic rides, 30-40 mile trips with ascending/descending of 4-6000ft. So I would like to get something that doesn't feel like I am pulling a bag of bricks with me, but yet still sturdy enough to take some abuse. Also I would like a fork that comes with around 3-4in of travel. I am open to both a steel and an aluminium frame, not really set on which one yet. I realize that both of them have their pro's and con's as far as weight, price, durability, comfort... etc. Just curious if I will notice a huge difference between going with a steel frame and an aluminum?
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http://www.rscycle.com/s.nl/it.A/id....&category=2187

Check this one out. BTW Performance stocks these and if you find one in a local store they will price match Randall Scott.
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Originally Posted by Indolent58
http://www.rscycle.com/s.nl/it.A/id....&category=2187

Check this one out. BTW Performance stocks these and if you find one in a local store they will price match Randall Scott.

To be honest I have no clue about the different levels of components for mountain bikes. Can anyone hook me up as far as the groupset components and shocks go. I thought I saw some list online where it had the the list for SRAM and Shimano from highest to lowest. I can't seem to find it. Also for shocks. What is the easiest way to figure out what is a good shock and which one is a crappy one?
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Old 01-05-07, 12:23 AM
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I found it incase someone else would like it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupset
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at your price range you can get plenty in a hardtail, somewhat raceworthy in fact. You should be able to get the higher end groupsets with that money. under the wiki you found look at shimano - xtr, xt and lx (xtr being highest) and sram x0 and x9 (x0 being highest), there really shouldn't be a $1k HT with any lower grade kit than that. as for other componentry, i'm not too familiar with what should be there for $1k, but if i were you i'd worry more about how comfortable you are with the bike first. post some alternative deals and someone here'll be glad to let you know if its good or not.
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SRAM ... Shimano
X.0 = XTR
X.9 = XT
X.7 = LX
SX-5 = Deore
SX-4 = Acera
3.0 = Altus

Unfortunately, SRAM only really marks it's shifters with group designations. All the Avid and Truvativ Components get their own levels. You cannot go wrong with Avid brakes. Though Shimano arguably has a lead in cranks. Truth be told if you wish to buy a complete bike, your component set will be thrust upon you. Just try to stick to SX-5/Deore and above components and you should be fine.

Now since you're a roadie and you don't own any mountain bikes yet, you may wish to consider a 29er. Typical MTBs use 559mm rims, whereas the 29er uses 622mm rims (700c (roadie diameter)). Bigger wheels roll better on uneven surfaces. For a lightweight 29er, Gary Fisher bikes should do you good. A Cobia comes in at a grand even and comes with Deore level (about) components. The slightly more expensive X-Caliber is $1380 and comes with and X-7 shifting set, BB-7 brakes (best mechanical disc brakes available) and a Reba SL fork.

http://www.fisherbikes.com/bikes/ful...9er&bike=Cobia

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You asked about shocks. The best easiest way to tell what the best shocks are is to go to mtbr.com and look up reviews. Or you could just ask people what they think. Just remember that good shocks cost $$$. A good suspension fork can easily account for 1/3 the price of the bike. So when pre-built bikes that seem to be good deals will often ship with poor fork offerings. Remember that when you bu a built bike your getting your parts at a discount. Upgrading is EXPENSIVE. So "fork out" as much as you are able initially and you'll spend less money in the end.

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Old 01-05-07, 08:19 AM
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Specialized Stumpjumper M4 hardtail. Great bike - great components - company stands behind its product.
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I like the idea of the 29er. I will have to give that some more thought and maybe test ride a few models. I came across a model that I really like, so if you guys could comment on it I would appreciate it. The bike is the Ibex Trophy and they are the make of my road bike. I can't speak more highly of them. Just a great company overall and great customer service. Here is the bike: http://www.ibexbikes.com/Bikes/TR-PRO-Details.html

It is a pretty sharp looking bike and it comes with:

Frame: Triple-Butted 6066 Aluminum
Fork: Rock Shox Reba Race* 80mm Travel w/ Remote Lockout & External Rebound
Shifters: SRAM X9 Trigger
Front Derailleur: SRAM X9
Rear Derailleur: SRAM X9
Crankset: TruVativ Stylo Team 3.3
Cassette: SRAM PG-980 (11-32T)
Chain: KMC Z9200
Brakes: Avid Juicy-7 Hydraulic Disc Brakes
Levers: Avid Juicy-7
Rims: Sun DS1-XC Rims
Hubs: Novatec 4/2 Sealed Bearing Hubs
Tires: Maxxis Ignitor 26" x 2.10 Folding
Headset:Cane Creek S-3
Cockpit Set: TruVativ Team
Saddle: WTB Devo Team
Pedals: Shimano M520 Cllipless
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I think IBEX is a good company for someone looking to crossover to another type of riding. I got an IBEX going the other way. long time MTB giving the road a shot. I built up an Aprisa frame and love it and it didnt hit me too hard in the wallet. They seem to have a good balance of price and value.

That bike you linked looks okay to me. lacing pattern on the wheel doesnt look very rugged/durable but i guess it really depends on your body type and riding style.
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Old 01-05-07, 12:41 PM
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Hmmm....

Well, Id hardly call myself an expert but last year I picked up a '05 Gary Fisher Tassajara Disc and have been plenty happy with it. Im a mild upgrad-a-holic, but I havent put much of anything on this rig except Specialized bar endz and tires in over a years worth of miles now. The Forks are the weakest link depending upon how gonzo you get. Mine have held up well considering. If you wanna step up you can go HooKooEKoo for little more money and get a slightly better fork (read on though)

You could certainly spend more but Ive heard very little in the way of complaints about genesis frames. I considered a Specialized Rockhopper Pro Disc heavily but due to LBS, discounted price, and the full blacked out look, my decision was easy.

If I could do it all over again Id buy the same bike, and pocket the rest for a few upgrades as I needed them. Im JUST now planning to significantly upgrade the forks and go with a SUN wheelset but my OEMs are perfectly fine so Ill have backups if I crush the new gear doing something stupid. Long story short, for me- the genesis frame is, without hesitation, worth upgrading.

Hope this helped.

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Could look at these

http://www.konaworld.com/bikes/2k7/CALDERA/index.html

http://www.konaworld.com/bikes/2k7/KULA/index.html

Kona make rugged bikes, I've enjoyed mine.
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What do you other guys think of this Ibex bike? For the money it sure has some nice components. Don't be afraid to help out a roadie, I won't bite.
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Check this one out...
http://www.rei.com/online/store/Prod...=4500839#specs
I have had mine for two years and have ridden the crap outta of it. Rode from Boston to Kansas with a 100 Lb BOB Yak Trailer,flung it and myself thru all kinds of trails,over lots of things(Kids,Curbs,Garbage Cans and the once and a while Volvo)...upgrade the forks and wheelset (The Manitu Axel that it comes with is kinda weak and needs more travel,and I broke a few spokes on my cross country junt) and this thing is solid as a rock. plus REI's warrenty is bombproof...You break it,they fix or replace it,even if the store you bought it fron is a thousand miles away from where you are! (I Bought the bike in Boston,tacoed a rim in St Louis-My fault and they replaced it with no hassle)
I have had a Dimond Back Accent,Giant Iguna,Trek 930 Singletrack,Gt Outpost,Miyata Trailrunner...All with Bombproof parts(Mavic,XT-XTR,Softride, ect) and for its price it leaves you some up grade money!! Truly worth a look!!

Ps...The Ibex looks like a Great Ride Too!!

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What do you other guys think of this Ibex bike? For the money it sure has some nice components. Don't be afraid to help out a roadie, I won't bite.
I am a devout roadie but I picked up a Gary Fisher Tassajara a few weeks ago. I have added some disc brakes and I am just enjoying the hell out of it. Total investment so far is $600.00. My roadbike is full Carbon with Durace components so yes, I am a hardware junkie but I find the basic Deore components of the Tassajara just fine for the dirt. Mountain biking will not replace the road for me ever but sure is a nice break from the same ole, same ole. It's a great way to cross train.
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I like the idea of the 29er. I will have to give that some more thought and maybe test ride a few models. I came across a model that I really like, so if you guys could comment on it I would appreciate it. The bike is the Ibex Trophy and they are the make of my road bike. I can't speak more highly of them. Just a great company overall and great customer service. Here is the bike: http://www.ibexbikes.com/Bikes/TR-PRO-Details.html

It is a pretty sharp looking bike and it comes with:

Frame: Triple-Butted 6066 Aluminum
Fork: Rock Shox Reba Race* 80mm Travel w/ Remote Lockout & External Rebound
Shifters: SRAM X9 Trigger
Front Derailleur: SRAM X9
Rear Derailleur: SRAM X9
Crankset: TruVativ Stylo Team 3.3
Cassette: SRAM PG-980 (11-32T)
Chain: KMC Z9200
Brakes: Avid Juicy-7 Hydraulic Disc Brakes
Levers: Avid Juicy-7
Rims: Sun DS1-XC Rims
Hubs: Novatec 4/2 Sealed Bearing Hubs
Tires: Maxxis Ignitor 26" x 2.10 Folding
Headset:Cane Creek S-3
Cockpit Set: TruVativ Team
Saddle: WTB Devo Team
Pedals: Shimano M520 Cllipless
I think this bike is outstanding. If you can test ride one and its comfy, i see no reason to keep shopping.
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The only aspect I have an issue on is the wheels/hubs. Since I primarily road bike, I don't know that much about MTB parts. Can someone help me with the quality of Sun DS1-XC Rims and Novatec 4/2 Sealed Bearing Hubs? I appreciate it.
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Originally Posted by 53x12
The only aspect I have an issue on is the wheels/hubs. Since I primarily road bike, I don't know that much about MTB parts. Can someone help me with the quality of Sun DS1-XC Rims and Novatec 4/2 Sealed Bearing Hubs? I appreciate it.
i like my Sun DS1 XC rims. all four wheels i built using Sun rims have trued nicely. no problems. Sun has great rims!
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I run the sun DS2, which are a step below the DS1. Very happy with them, and still true despite my sloppy riding and regular crashes. I took them to N. Carolina (much rougher on bikes than Ohio) and expected them to fail, but they didn't. Plus, they're pretty light too.

Can't help you with the hubs sorry. The spoke configuration is interesting though (and the only thing that gives me concern about the bike). Hopefully someone will be along to shed some light on that.
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I run the sun DS2, which are a step below the DS1. Very happy with them, and still true despite my sloppy riding and regular crashes. I took them to N. Carolina (much rougher on bikes than Ohio) and expected them to fail, but they didn't. Plus, they're pretty light too.

Can't help you with the hubs sorry. The spoke configuration is interesting though (and the only thing that gives me concern about the bike). Hopefully someone will be along to shed some light on that.
That is good to know. Thanks for the help.
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that IBEX looks great, if in the end you don't like the frame, you can always move over the parts to a better frame. 25lbs is good for a HT in your price range, you can get it lighter but will cost alot more for a few extra pounds, where in a sport that having a TOO light of a bike might be a problem.
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