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Old 04-26-07, 02:32 PM
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What tubeless tires do you recommend?

I'm sure there's already been a thread opened about what tubeless tires to run. Anyway, I'm looking for your opinions/advice. Right now I am running WTB Weirwolves. I like them, but they are a bit too heavy. What I'm looking for is a lightweight tire. Please let me know what options there are out there. Thanks!
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hutchinson python light. That is unless you race a lot on wet courses... in that case I have no idea. I haven't been happy with anything yet.
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Originally Posted by mtb05grl
I'm sure there's already been a thread opened about what tubeless tires to run. Anyway, I'm looking for your opinions/advice. Right now I am running WTB Weirwolves. I like them, but they are a bit too heavy. What I'm looking for is a lightweight tire. Please let me know what options there are out there. Thanks!
For what conditions?
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I think the lightest you can get is by running non-ust tires with sealant. I could be mistaken though.
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I've got maxxis ignitors and they are fairly light, and hook up really well in all sorts of conditions.
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Maxxis maxxlite 310 grams but not UST. Have held one in my hands but not ridden them. They are ******** light.

It is my understanding that UST=freakin heavy. I'm sure technology will change this but for now you just kind of have to live with the weight if you want the advantages of tubeless.
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I run michelin all mountain 2.2's tubeless. I've flatted them once when a rock cut the tire pretty well (it damaged the threads on the inside so obvs it would have flatted a tube too). They work, they hold air, they're grippy as hell and probably lighter than the UST's I had on there previously.
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Do NOT run Maxxlite 310's on anything other than an easy shorttrack course. They are fast as hell for their intended application, but they are not a true mtb tire in any way, shape of form. Even for ST I run them rear only.

If you want light tubeless, you have to ditch UST. On of my new favorite tires is the Crossmark from maxxis - hooks up well in corners and rolls very fast, and isn't too heavy either. My exception series pair came in at 512 and 515grams. Throw some homemade sealant in and you're golden. I think they do come in UST too, but that tends to add about 140g to each tire. Not worth it, IMO.
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Old 04-27-07, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mtb05grl
I'm sure there's already been a thread opened about what tubeless tires to run. Anyway, I'm looking for your opinions/advice. Right now I am running WTB Weirwolves. I like them, but they are a bit too heavy. What I'm looking for is a lightweight tire. Please let me know what options there are out there. Thanks!
Continental Explorers were quick and easy to install tubeless and ride really great.


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Thanks for all your advice. The conditions I ride in are normally dry or tacky. I don't like to ride in really wet conditions. However, if I go to a race to find out the course is wet, I'll usually race. But for the most part, I'm looking for a tire for dry to tacking conditions, mostly hard packed dirt. It really depends on the course where I am racing. Sometimes there's a little gravel. It all depends. I'm running Maxxis Ignitors non-UST, so I might look into the UST version. I really like the tire. Thanks again!
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I ran both Michelin AT 2.2 UST and Panaracer Fire Pro UST and found them to be nice. Nice and freakin' heavy!

Then I bought some of Stan's sealant for $16.

I now run tube-type Hutchinson Python Airlights tubeless and have cut TWO POUNDS from my bike and they have not leaked a pound of air.

How's that for an advantage?

As for tires, you can find Hutchinson Mosquitos for $6 at Greenfish Sports. They roll really well and shed mud like a greased monkey.
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Old 04-27-07, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by endform
I think the lightest you can get is by running non-ust tires with sealant. I could be mistaken though.
That is not a tubeless tire. Just a tire (trying to be) used without an inner tube. There is a difference.
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Old 04-27-07, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mtb05grl
Thanks for all your advice. The conditions I ride in are normally dry or tacky. I don't like to ride in really wet conditions. However, if I go to a race to find out the course is wet, I'll usually race. But for the most part, I'm looking for a tire for dry to tacking conditions, mostly hard packed dirt. It really depends on the course where I am racing. Sometimes there's a little gravel. It all depends. I'm running Maxxis Ignitors non-UST, so I might look into the UST version. I really like the tire. Thanks again!
Also look at the Bontrager Revolt Super X TR. Fast, grippy in the dry and ~550g (plus the weight of sealant).
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I believe the stiffer sidewalls add weight to the ust tires.
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Originally Posted by DirtPedalerB
I believe the stiffer sidewalls add weight to the ust tires.
UST/tubeless tires do not necessarily have stiffer sidewalls than standard tires. There are differences in the casing construction, bead design and amount of rubber used which usually does add weight in varying amounts. Michelin DH tires actually LOST weight when they all went to UST spec.
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Originally Posted by ZeCanon
Do NOT run Maxxlite 310's on anything other than an easy shorttrack course. They are fast as hell for their intended application, but they are not a true mtb tire in any way, shape of form. Even for ST I run them rear only.

If you want light tubeless, you have to ditch UST. On of my new favorite tires is the Crossmark from maxxis - hooks up well in corners and rolls very fast, and isn't too heavy either. My exception series pair came in at 512 and 515grams. Throw some homemade sealant in and you're golden. I think they do come in UST too, but that tends to add about 140g to each tire. Not worth it, IMO.
Point well made. Sorry OP, for not specifying this. Maxxlites are a 'race only' tire not intended for everyday use. OOps.
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Originally Posted by shiggy
Also look at the Bontrager Revolt Super X TR. Fast, grippy in the dry and ~550g (plus the weight of sealant).
Love the Revolt in the dry. Love the Ritchey Z-Max all other times, even dry. I run these with stans for the last few years. I have to pry them off.

What is the distinction of tubeless versus a tire without a tube?
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Originally Posted by OregonXC
Love the Revolt in the dry. Love the Ritchey Z-Max all other times, even dry. I run these with stans for the last few years. I have to pry them off.

What is the distinction of tubeless versus a tire without a tube?
The tubeless tire (UST, tubeless ready) is designed to be used without an inner tube. A standard tire is not.

Tubeless uses a bead designed to lock and seal with the tubeless rim. They are not designed to be used tubeless on standard rims.

Tubeless tire casing have different casing constructions. Most companies will not say how, specifically, though Hutchinson says they use more overlap of the layers. They also use more rubber in the casing to make them airtight, or less porous in the case of tubeless ready models.

Many riders do use DIY sans-tube setups with success though many others have issues and go back to tubes. There are too many variables with standard rims and/or tires. When it does not work the failures range from will not seal in the first place to casing ruptures and blow-offs. I personally have had it work and had it fail plus witnessed a rupture.
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Originally Posted by shiggy
That is not a tubeless tire.
Where's the tube then? This is a pretty irrelevant distinction given the success that a lot of people have had with using sealant and non-ust tires.
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Originally Posted by endform
Where's the tube then? This is a pretty irrelevant distinction given the success that a lot of people have had with using sealant and non-ust tires.
It is a tire without an inner tube. There are also many people that have had failures of various combos of standard tires and/or rims used DIY sans-tube. Even the main producer of DYI products recommends against using some tires or rims.

You generally hear a lot of repeat comments from the riders that have success with it. Those that have trouble with it may comment once or twice then go back to tubes or a designed as tubeless setup.
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Originally Posted by shiggy
You generally hear a lot of repeat comments from the riders that have success with it. Those that have trouble with it may comment once or twice then go back to tubes or a designed as tubeless setup.
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