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Old 05-17-07, 09:10 AM
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If you like a company that innovates a lot (good or bad) go for Shimano, if you like things that have been proven and worked, go for SRAM
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Old 05-17-07, 09:11 AM
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If you like a company that innovates a lot (good or bad) go for Shimano, if you like things that have been proven and worked, go for SRAM
I think you have this backwards.
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Hmm, I dont think so, so far I always see Shimano releasing new concepts and new designs. SRAM practically stays on a concept and just improve it as time needs it
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I just installed the new XTR shifters and derailleurs...I must say...a huge improvement over my XT/LX setup. Upshifting with your thumb feels good. I'm glad Shimano added this feature. Its nice to have a choice between pull and push with the thumb. I use my thumb when descending and my finger when climbing...this seems to work well. The shifting doesnt feel as firm and mechanical as the X.0. The lever pull on the XTR feels quite a bit softer than the X.0 Shifters. However, the levers are not adjustable like the X.0 levers. This is a great feature that SRAM built into the X.0 product that I wish Shimano would have.
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Originally Posted by misterC
What if all of a sudden shimano tripled the prices of all their parts, would xt then not be worth the "premium"? I'm just wondering if its just the price that offends you so much.
It's not the price at all. It's the value. Sure the XTR might be a smidge lighter, but it's not THAT much lighter, nor is it that much smoother. It's a half step at best, and that doesn't make it worth the extra cash.
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My point is, why do I have to justify my purchase of a high dollar part to satisfy someone else's price-tagery?

Just because you and Raiyn can't afford it, doesn't mean I shouldn't buy it.
Didn't we just do this with Chris King headsets? Nobody said I can't afford XTR parts, I just don't see the value nor do I think that everyone who comes onto a board like this should have the illusion that if they don't run XTR (or a King for that matter) they ain't worth ****. XTR doesn't give you a better warranty, it might make the bike a touch lighter (not enough in the real world), but if you're not racing what does that matter? The main things XTR does do well is lighten your wallet, give your buddies something to ogle and inflate your ego.
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Old 05-17-07, 06:36 PM
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Go and read the link that I posted above...
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
It's not the price at all. It's the value. Sure the XTR might be a smidge lighter, but it's not THAT much lighter, nor is it that much smoother. It's a half step at best, and that doesn't make it worth the extra cash.

Didn't we just do this with Chris King headsets? Nobody said I can't afford XTR parts, I just don't see the value nor do I think that everyone who comes onto a board like this should have the illusion that if they don't run XTR (or a King for that matter) they ain't worth ****. XTR doesn't give you a better warranty, it might make the bike a touch lighter (not enough in the real world), but if you're not racing what does that matter? The main things XTR does do well is lighten your wallet, give your buddies something to ogle and inflate your ego.
I like my xt rear...and my cane creek headset...not top of the line but works great...But I dont think that buying top of the line parts is just stroking your ego if you can afford it...one thing is true in my line of work and I believe its true nomatter what your talking about...you get what you pay for. I can afford xtr its just not important to me right now. I just want to ride my bike.
although you make a valid point...it should go both ways...nobody should think there riding crap if they dont have xtr but people also shouldnt think there posers if they are.
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Old 05-17-07, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken
I like my xt rear...and my cane creek headset...not top of the line but works great...But I dont think that buying top of the line parts is just stroking your ego if you can afford it...one thing is true in my line of work and I believe its true nomatter what your talking about...you get what you pay for.
That's the whole crux of my argument. With XTR it's not that much better (in my view) to justify the premium pricing. XT is damn good and is the first to get the best out of what's good about XTR without having to be the test bed.

If I didn't have to pay for my parts I'd use XTR in a heartbeat. I'd be a fool not to, but I don't live in that world. I have to buy my parts, and even thought the money is there I want as much bang for my buck as possible. The added flash of the XTR label just isn't enough for me.
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
The added flash of the XTR label just isn't enough for me.
But Chris King's is.

Curious.
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
That's the whole crux of my argument. With XTR it's not that much better (in my view) to justify the premium pricing. XT is damn good and is the first to get the best out of what's good about XTR without having to be the test bed.

If I didn't have to pay for my parts I'd use XTR in a heartbeat. I'd be a fool not to, but I don't live in that world. I have to buy my parts, and even thought the money is there I want as much bang for my buck as possible. The added flash of the XTR label just isn't enough for me.
I agree...but I'm not going to point at everyone with xtr and xo or a 7 thousand dollar bike and snicker and call them posers either. Some people need that stuff...some people are weight weenies ( no offense people...but you know who you are ) and some are just morons... I put BBS rims on my car...they were twice the price of some other rims that would have done the job just fine...but this was MY car and I wanted BBS because it was the best stuff I could afford... I have seen nicer cars with cheaper rims and the thought of the cost of rims or the quality of the car never crossed my mind...just...damn thats a nice car

I am nobody's judge is all I'm saying I guess...everyones got there own reasons for things...I just want to ride.
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Originally Posted by gastro
But Chris King's is.

Curious.
CANE CREEK dammit!!!!
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Originally Posted by gastro
But Chris King's is.

Curious.
What's so hard to figure out about a ten year warranty so good you can turn in your headset because you don't like the COLOR? I don't see XTR with that.

Originally Posted by Minesbroken
I agree...but I'm not going to point at everyone with xtr and xo or a 7 thousand dollar bike and snicker and call them posers either.
I wait to see them ride first. If they stick to the bunny trail, then hell yeah I'm going to chuckle to myself.
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
What's so hard to figure out about a ten year warranty so good you can turn in your headset because you don't like the COLOR? I don't see XTR with that.


I wait to see them ride first. If they stick to the bunny trail, then hell yeah I'm going to chuckle to myself.
yeah...me to...lol
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one of my friends just bought a trek top fuel and upgraded everything on it...he only rides pavement lol I bust his hump every day.
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken
one of my friends just bought a trek top fuel and upgraded everything on it...he only rides pavement lol I bust his hump every day.
That's certainly overkill. I presume he's not doing any kind of "urban' riding?
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
That's certainly overkill. I presume he's not doing any kind of "urban' riding?

he does nothing thats worthy of a brand new fox fork and a set of xtr cranks lol...he didnt even ride the bike first before he bought all this stuff... Granted its a nice bike and it rides really really smooth on and off road...I did alittle breaking in... but he didnt buy it to ride it where it belongs...he could have bought a huffy
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken
he does nothing thats worthy of a brand new fox fork and a set of xtr cranks lol...he didnt even ride the bike first before he bought all this stuff...
Ouch must resist urge to mock
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Granted its a nice bike and it rides really really smooth on and off road...
It can't help but to.
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I did a little breaking in...
I'm sure you did
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but he didn't buy it to ride it where it belongs...he could have bought a huffy
I don't know that I would have gone that far.... (a Huffy? <shudder>) He could have gotten himself a nice comfort bike or the Rolling Barca Lounger"
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
Ouch must resist urge to mock
It can't help but to.
I'm sure you did

I don't know that I would have gone that far.... (a Huffy? <shudder>) He could have gotten himself a nice comfort bike or the Rolling Barca Lounger"


I havent given up on him though... I WILL drag him through the woods and if he doesnt die...I'm sure he will do it again
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
XTR doesn't give you a better warranty
New flash genius! It DOES!
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Originally Posted by willtsmith_nwi
The top pricepoint are typically all weight reductions and no mechanical performance advantage.
Not true.
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken
one of my friends just bought a trek top fuel and upgraded everything on it...he only rides pavement lol I bust his hump every day.
Does that make him a "poser"?
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It is a matter of preference, as you can see from the little debate. I don't believe either company has any major advantage to the other, at least not enough to consider, so go find bikes with both and find which ones feel/look better to you.
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Originally Posted by Pete ***erlin
Considering the fact that you "mountain bike" in an incredibly undemanding and flat area, it's easy to see that your posts on this matter are great examples of projection (look it up).
It can get more demanding if you go really really fast or if you ride for a really long time non stop
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken
one of my friends just bought a trek top fuel and upgraded everything on it...he only rides pavement lol I bust his hump every day.
Why do you care? Why not just ride and let other people ride what they want?
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