SRAM X.O or Shimano XTR
05-18-07, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
Why do you care? Why not just ride and let other people ride what they want?
There is very little we "need" that we can truly justify. What we do is get enjoyment out of the things we do and acquire for ourselves. Why do you think we all get giddy with the thought of upgrading something on our bikes?
05-18-07, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by misterC
You missed my point.
My point is, why do I have to justify my purchase of a high dollar part to satisfy someone else's price-tagery?
Just because you and Raiyn can't afford it, doesn't mean I shouldn't buy it.
My point is, why do I have to justify my purchase of a high dollar part to satisfy someone else's price-tagery?
Just because you and Raiyn can't afford it, doesn't mean I shouldn't buy it.
05-18-07, 06:05 AM
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05-18-07, 06:08 AM
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I think the problem is that too many people look at the cost of things and not their value. Value varies from one individual to another depending on that individual's criteria. I do not believe in my case that I'd get more value out of X.0 over X.9 but that's because I'm clumsy and would rather learn/bust something a little cheaper than top of the line and because at my skill level I cannot tell the difference between X.9 and X.0. Someone else may get value out of X.0/XTR because they put a lot of emphasis on weight/performance/looks/rebuildability/etc.
05-18-07, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
Why do you care? Why not just ride and let other people ride what they want?
If I didnt know better I would say that some of you dont have any sense of humor....jeeze!
always on the offense arent you
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05-18-07, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by santiago
+1
There is very little we "need" that we can truly justify. What we do is get enjoyment out of the things we do and acquire for ourselves. Why do you think we all get giddy with the thought of upgrading something on our bikes?
There is very little we "need" that we can truly justify. What we do is get enjoyment out of the things we do and acquire for ourselves. Why do you think we all get giddy with the thought of upgrading something on our bikes?
Originally Posted by Minesbroken
I like my xt rear...and my cane creek headset...not top of the line but works great...But I dont think that buying top of the line parts is just stroking your ego if you can afford it...one thing is true in my line of work and I believe its true nomatter what your talking about...you get what you pay for. I can afford xtr its just not important to me right now. I just want to ride my bike.
although you make a valid point...it should go both ways...nobody should think there riding crap if they dont have xtr but people also shouldnt think there posers if they are.
just ride
ride....
although you make a valid point...it should go both ways...nobody should think there riding crap if they dont have xtr but people also shouldnt think there posers if they are.
just ride
ride....
I understand this and if you had been reading the entire thread you would have noticed that I'm not big on passing judgement. I just bust his hump cause hes my friend...you guys dont have friends that you taunt and antagonize for fun? he does the same thing to me if it makes you feel better.
I dont care what bike you ride or how much money you dumped into it or if you bought a 8 thousand dollar off the shelf racing bike...and you like to ride it down the boardwalk at the beach...I dont care...I'll ride with you...but dont expect me not to bust your hump cause its who I am
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05-18-07, 06:38 AM
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So back to the original post. What are the advantages and disadvantages of both?
Some are:
SRAM has gripshifters if thats your cup of tea, Shimano does not. (One possible advantage here is that the front derailleur is 8 clicks for 3 gears on the gripshifter.....instant trim)
SRAM runs 1:1 ratio, Shimano runs 2:1 for the rear derailleur. (those SRAM units that are compatable with the Shimano 2:1 are far enough down the food chain to probably not be part of this post)
SRAM rear derailleurs do not require that service loop in the rear cable as the cable enters from the front.
Shimano Front derailleurs are probably still far and away better than SRAM (they have a much longer head start)
Anybody got any other notable differences?
Some are:
SRAM has gripshifters if thats your cup of tea, Shimano does not. (One possible advantage here is that the front derailleur is 8 clicks for 3 gears on the gripshifter.....instant trim)
SRAM runs 1:1 ratio, Shimano runs 2:1 for the rear derailleur. (those SRAM units that are compatable with the Shimano 2:1 are far enough down the food chain to probably not be part of this post)
SRAM rear derailleurs do not require that service loop in the rear cable as the cable enters from the front.
Shimano Front derailleurs are probably still far and away better than SRAM (they have a much longer head start)
Anybody got any other notable differences?
05-18-07, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by maddmaxx
Anybody got any other notable differences?
05-18-07, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MattP.
New flash genius! It DOES!
Originally Posted by Shimano
https://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...y_details.html
This warranty does not cover the following:
1) Shimano products that have been modified, neglected or poorly maintained, used in competition or for commercial purposes, misused or abused or involved in accidents. All of this is at their discretion
2) Damage occurring during shipment of the products (such claims must be presented directly to the carrier).
3) Damage to products resulting from improper assembly or repair. Again judged by them
4) Damage resulting from causes other than non-conformities in materials and workmanship, including but not limited to lack of technical skill, competence, or experience of the user.
5) Damage or deterioration to the surface finish, aesthetics or appearance of the product.
6) The labor required to remove and/or re-fit and re-adjust the product within the bicycle assembly.
7) Normal wear to the product.
THIS WARRANTY APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO THE UNITED STATES & CANADA. FOR COUNTRIES OTHER THAN THE UNITED STATES & CANADA PLEASE CONTACT YOUR SHIMANO OFFICE OR BICYCLE DEALER.
This warranty does not cover the following:
1) Shimano products that have been modified, neglected or poorly maintained, used in competition or for commercial purposes, misused or abused or involved in accidents. All of this is at their discretion
2) Damage occurring during shipment of the products (such claims must be presented directly to the carrier).
3) Damage to products resulting from improper assembly or repair. Again judged by them
4) Damage resulting from causes other than non-conformities in materials and workmanship, including but not limited to lack of technical skill, competence, or experience of the user.
5) Damage or deterioration to the surface finish, aesthetics or appearance of the product.
6) The labor required to remove and/or re-fit and re-adjust the product within the bicycle assembly.
7) Normal wear to the product.
THIS WARRANTY APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO THE UNITED STATES & CANADA. FOR COUNTRIES OTHER THAN THE UNITED STATES & CANADA PLEASE CONTACT YOUR SHIMANO OFFICE OR BICYCLE DEALER.
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Originally Posted by Taylor
Thank you, and thanks to the rest of you too... Excuse me if no one wanted me to start this debate, I was not aware my question would do so.
05-18-07, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken
these debates are fun banter in my opinion unless someone takes it out of context and brings it to the next level where insults are thrown about recklessly.
whatever, I learned a bit from everything as it is
05-18-07, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Taylor
okay so i am safe then
whatever, I learned a bit from everything as it is
whatever, I learned a bit from everything as it is
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Originally Posted by Taylor
okay so i am safe then
whatever, I learned a bit from everything as it is
whatever, I learned a bit from everything as it is
I learned alot here and took a few bruises in the process
05-18-07, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken
thats the point...some people are just grumpy teachers lol
I learned alot here and took a few bruises in the process
I learned alot here and took a few bruises in the process
05-18-07, 05:59 PM
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05-18-07, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by maddmaxx
So back to the original post. What are the advantages and disadvantages of both?
Some are:
SRAM has gripshifters if thats your cup of tea, Shimano does not. (One possible advantage here is that the front derailleur is 8 clicks for 3 gears on the gripshifter.....instant trim)
Anybody got any other notable differences?
Some are:
SRAM has gripshifters if thats your cup of tea, Shimano does not. (One possible advantage here is that the front derailleur is 8 clicks for 3 gears on the gripshifter.....instant trim)
Anybody got any other notable differences?
It's nine clicks. A lot of people run the SRAM gripshift on the left for the ability to trim out derailleur rub and triggers on the left.
05-18-07, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
[color=blueIt's got more holes than a ton of swiss cheese.[/color]
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Originally Posted by MattP.
Hey dumbass! Shimano's warranty looks just like SRAM's warranty, which looks just like about every other warranty on bike products out there! It still doesn't negate the fact that XTR has a year longer warranty on it. Just take a deep breath, admit you were wrong, and go ride your paved "mountain bike" trails in Florida.
and I'm laughing...
05-18-07, 10:21 PM
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SRAM rear derailleurs do not require that service loop in the rear cable as the cable enters from the front.
05-18-07, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by wheelhot
Shimano has solved this problem with their new XT and XTR Shadow RD and they even add a extra feature, extra pivot at the hanger that is thinner then your quick release nut and its lighter then their traditional derailleur design.
05-18-07, 10:34 PM
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I would suggest making the choice on your preference of shifter ergonomics and how they feel when you use them.
05-18-07, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by z415
I would suggest making the choice on your preference of shifter ergonomics and how they feel when you use them.
Oh, that's far too easy of a suggestion. That doesn't allow for countless threads of e-spec, inane disagreement, baseless fact, and pure opinion.
05-19-07, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken
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If I didnt know better I would say that some of you dont have any sense of humor....jeeze!
If I didnt know better I would say that some of you dont have any sense of humor....jeeze!
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