What is XC riding?
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Depends on where/what your trails are like. One mans XC may be another mans DH. Or vice versa.
Generally though, I think most riders tend to think of XC as along the lines of your first definition. Or define it more broadly: an XC ride is any ride when you are riding your bike on some sort of trail across varied terrain.
Generally though, I think most riders tend to think of XC as along the lines of your first definition. Or define it more broadly: an XC ride is any ride when you are riding your bike on some sort of trail across varied terrain.
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Someone else asked the same question a while ago, so I'd doing a search for a more comprehensive answer, but what scrublover said is right because I would rate his picture as AM (all mountain riding).
Another thing to note, people also have different ratings. For example, scrublover may not recognize AM as a type of riding at all.
I base my ratings on the categories of forks available on rockshox.com (which are XC, AM, FR, DH done in terms of fork travel), but there are trillions of ways to do it. However, I think most people would agree that XC is off-road and this, not stairs. I would call stairs urban-trials, but others would not agree.
Another thing to note, people also have different ratings. For example, scrublover may not recognize AM as a type of riding at all.
I base my ratings on the categories of forks available on rockshox.com (which are XC, AM, FR, DH done in terms of fork travel), but there are trillions of ways to do it. However, I think most people would agree that XC is off-road and this, not stairs. I would call stairs urban-trials, but others would not agree.
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generally in my point on view , XC is stuff like single lane trails, rock gardens, 2-4 foot drops and jumps, some steep sections, and most of all, hill climbs.
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oh my god dude, you've TOTALLY botched your marketing jargon here. your like SOO all mountain riding dude...
you can't XC ride in baggy shorts! everybody knows that!
you can't XC ride in baggy shorts! everybody knows that!
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Originally Posted by Hal Fisher
Is XC on a track or doing things like stairs or abusive stuff?
However, if you go the the skate park and spend the whole day annoying the skate boarders or go to somewhere and spend the whole day riding down and up the stairs without going somewhere, that's not XC. Or if you spend the whole day riding up a lift to the top of the mountain so that you can ride down it, that's not XC either. Those can be fun but they're not XC.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
XC is cross country. Start at point A, go to point B, maybe go to point C, and possibly come back to piont A. You pedal. Up, down, over, through. If you happen to use a shuttle from point C back to point A, it's still XC. If there happens to be some stairs along the way, it's still XC. If it happens to involve some concrete or road ways to get from one side of a creek to another, it's still XC. If it happens to be in the middle of a metro area along a creek, it's still XC. If you happen to go to a ski area, pedal your bike to the top of the mountain and then enjoy the downhill back to the car, it's still XC.
Originally Posted by cyccommute
However, if you go the the skate park and spend the whole day annoying the skate boarders or go to somewhere and spend the whole day riding down and up the stairs without going somewhere, that's not XC. Or if you spend the whole day riding up a lift to the top of the mountain so that you can ride down it, that's not XC either. Those can be fun but they're not XC.
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Originally Posted by pinkrobe
As usual, you pretty much nailed it. I have an aversion to shuttling, but I suppose if there's 50km of highway between the start and finish, it's probably a good idea.
One other beef I have with classifications...if I cared about racing...is the way in which XC races are done now. Ten laps of a closed 3 mile course is a criterium. It's not an XC race. It's more like a NASCAR event...ugh! If you're going to hold XC races make 'em XC. 50 miles of point to point. If Cindy Whitehead can do 50 miles of racing...and win...without a saddle on a rigid bike, why can't people now do the same races on their Unobtainium bikes?
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
One other beef I have with classifications...if I cared about racing...is the way in which XC races are done now. Ten laps of a closed 3 mile course is a criterium. It's not an XC race. It's more like a NASCAR event...ugh! If you're going to hold XC races make 'em XC. 50 miles of point to point. If Cindy Whitehead can do 50 miles of racing...and win...without a saddle on a rigid bike, why can't people now do the same races on their Unobtainium bikes?
great observation.......I feel like the mountain is quickly fading away from mountain biking.......too much armor...too much lycra...to much logos...to much look-at-me-I-am-so-cool.......
I mountain bike to go away from all of this self indulgent narcissism......
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
As a general rule, I don't shuttle. I think, I've only done it once or twice in 20 years of mountain biking. I did it once when I had a ride that was 50 miles of single track along the Colorado Trail and once last summer when I did the Hermosa Creek Trail in Durango with my daughter. Otherwise, I figure if I'm going to do it, I'm going to ride it.
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great observation.......I feel like the mountain is quickly fading away from mountain biking.......too much armor...too much lycra...to much logos...to much look-at-me-I-am-so-cool.......
I mountain bike to go away from all of this self indulgent narcissism......
I mountain bike to go away from all of this self indulgent narcissism......
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Originally Posted by gastro
I do it to get away from those who complain about what others are wearing and somehow allow it to affect their experience.
you are a superior human being......
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Originally Posted by gastro
So...besides the two rides you've noted, every one of your rides in that time period left from your front door? Or is driving to the trailhead somehow not shuttling?
If you only ride from your front door, your options are usually pretty limited...or will be after a very short time.
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Thanks for the explaination. I guess I was thinking of BMX when I said course riding. So XC is harder stuff than just trail riding which can be pretty flat and unchallenging.
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Originally Posted by Hal Fisher
So XC is harder stuff than just trail riding which can be pretty flat and unchallenging.
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Originally Posted by Hal Fisher
Thanks for the explaination. I guess I was thinking of BMX when I said course riding. So XC is harder stuff than just trail riding which can be pretty flat and unchallenging.
As for trails being flat and unchallenging, any trail can be made challenging. All you need is speed. A flat twisty trail through the woods can be challenging as hell when done at 20 mph Especially if it has lots of nice limbo sticks.
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Originally Posted by euroford
you can't XC ride in baggy shorts! everybody knows that!
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Let's not be too literal, okay? You know what is meant by shuttling..."I'll take my car and park it down here and we'll take your car and the bikes back up there and ride back to my car. Then we'll take my car back up and get yours" shuttling.
Originally Posted by cyccommute
I generally don't engage in it because it a royal pain in the kiester, especially if you have several people.
And finally, an open question to those who categorically abhor any sort of vehicular asssistance on their rides, e.g. pinkrobe et al: Is the scenario I just described somehow less valid than a ride where I drive an hour to somewhere and do an out and back of the same duration with the same amount of climbing?
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Originally Posted by Hal Fisher
Thanks for the explaination. I guess I was thinking of BMX when I said course riding. So XC is harder stuff than just trail riding which can be pretty flat and unchallenging.
however in PA, only 400 miles away, i have a ton of different parks and trails with great terrain that i could probably ride for 5 more years and not master.
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You should see gastro ride!
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Originally Posted by gastro
If he had, he would certainly withdraw his allegation of my humanity.
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Originally Posted by gastro
I don't think the distinction is as cut and dried as you'd like to make it. An afternoon ride I recently went on with some friends went like this: Leave vehicle in lower lot, drive bikes and riders to top of ridge. Drop in, descend trail 1 to lower vehicle. Pedal back up road until trail 2 turns off. Ascend trail 2 all the way back to upper vehicle at initial drop in point. From there, descend trail 3 to point below lower vehicle. Climb back up to lower vehicle. Drive up to top of ridge and retrieve upper vehicle. Total ride time about 4 hours, including a couple thousand vertical feet of climbing. Is that a "shuttle" (with the term's attendant negative connotations) or merely a harmless "point to point?"
If it were me, I would have done your ride by driving to the lower vehicle point, riding up and around all the loops and then coming back to my car. I never end with a climb. It violates Stuart's First Principle of Most Excellent Bicycle Riding: "Never end on an uphill." I only have one ride that violates that principle and if it didn't have lots of cool stuff at the bottom of the canyon to look at, I wouldn't do it
But I'm not the carfree police. However you want to do your ride is your business. As long as you are riding and having fun, why is it any of my concern?
Originally Posted by gastro
And finally, an open question to those who categorically abhor any sort of vehicular asssistance on their rides, e.g. pinkrobe et al: Is the scenario I just described somehow less valid than a ride where I drive an hour to somewhere and do an out and back of the same duration with the same amount of climbing?
I ride for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it to hurt myself. Sometimes it to see things. Sometimes it's both. About the only thing I'm not going to do is throw myself off cliffs. I admire people who do...I think they are bat***** crazy but I admire them. But I've had my quota of broken bones and my wife told me that if I bring home one more cast, she was going to divorce me.
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Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin
Hmmm...you "don't care" yet you feel the need to mention me. Interesting, and quite telling.
You're making sh|t up Stuart. I have never told folks how they are supposed to ride. However, I have refuted/commented/laughed at a number of outrageous claims that you have made about riding, equipment, etc.
I'll continue to do that because your wackiness is really amusing at times.
You're making sh|t up Stuart. I have never told folks how they are supposed to ride. However, I have refuted/commented/laughed at a number of outrageous claims that you have made about riding, equipment, etc.
I'll continue to do that because your wackiness is really amusing at times.
refer to for illustration or proof.
I did not say "...don't care". I said "I don't give a gnat's ass what [you] think...".
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