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Old 05-20-07, 10:27 AM
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Old 05-20-07, 10:34 AM
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Why don't you get the new frame for free, and then sell it, and buy the frame you want?
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Old 05-20-07, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ziemas
If you are competing I'm sure you'll welcome the chance to upgrade your frame for the cost of new wheels and brakes.

How does the 4500 compare to your seven year old frame? I'm sure due to technology drip down they are rather comparable.
They aren't really. They have different geometry, and the 4500 frame is heavier. The 4500 is really meant for casual riders.
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Old 05-20-07, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by misterC
Why don't you get the new frame for free, and then sell it, and buy the frame you want?
It might come down to that, but even so, finding another frame of like-caliber that has studs isn't the easiest task.
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Old 05-20-07, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by k_freese
It might come down to that, but even so, finding another frame of like-caliber that has studs isn't the easiest task.
You want something that doesn't seem to exist any more. Things change. Live with it.
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Old 05-20-07, 05:02 PM
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why do you want a high end frame if your bolting outdated crap to it??? and trek giving you $1100 hahahaha that is hilarious.. They'd much rather give you the frame that costs them like $100. Trek is dumb for offering that warranty anyway so maybe they will just give you a new bike.
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Old 05-21-07, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtPedalerB
why do you want a high end frame if your bolting outdated crap to it??? and trek giving you $1100 hahahaha that is hilarious.. They'd much rather give you the frame that costs them like $100. Trek is dumb for offering that warranty anyway so maybe they will just give you a new bike.
Because full XT, even if it is seven years old, is still very good stuff. The point is that I am trying to save what parts I can because they are worth saving. My bike weighed 23lbs even with "outdated crap" bolted to it, and was just as competitive as any contemporary aluminum hardtail. Best to keep gear-snobbery and trend-surfing to a minimum...
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Old 05-21-07, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by k_freese
. Best to keep gear-snobbery and trend-surfing to a minimum...
Totally false!
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Old 05-21-07, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
Totally false!
haha!


K_freese, I think people here just want you to be realistic. We do understand, exactly, what your fidicuary complaint is, but in the grand sceme of things most people think you're asking for too much. Any seven year old, aluminum, trek( ), frame is way beyond it's prime and the fact that Trek might give you a new frame in return for your busted piece is awesome. Don't push it, and if you do, don't expect people to respond with positive attitudes.


How you'r components lasted through seven years of riding is a mystery in an of itself. I can barely manage to keep a bike for more than 8 months nowadays.

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Old 05-22-07, 12:49 AM
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Eh, whatevs... Hopefully I'll hear back from Trek tomorrow.
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Old 05-22-07, 02:07 AM
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7 years old? Your bike is 7 years old? WOW! and I just plan to keep my bikes for a period of 5 years only.
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Old 05-22-07, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by k_freese
Um, no. I prefer not to get f'ed in the ass. First of all, I would never spend $2,300 on a bike that would only last seven years.
Be happy you don't freeride, where in 2003 I spend $2600 on a freeride bike and then in two years I'm replacing it.
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Old 05-22-07, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by k_freese
I don't look at it as getting a free frame... I would, however, feel that way if my parts carried over to the new frame. One must remember that I will have to change virtually every major component on my bike just because of the brakes issue, which is why I'm a little concerned about it. Look at how convoluted this issue quickly becomes: I will obviously need to buy disc brakes. Because of this, I will have to update my shifters. But the current XT shifters are for 9-speed cassettes. When my bike was built (Y2K), XT used an 8-speed cassette, meaning that my cassette and rear derailleur will also need to be replaced. I'm guessing the current XT uses a different chain than the old XT as well. Also, since I have been using linear-pull brakes, I will need to replace my hubs and wheels. So before you know it, the only things that I can carry over from my cracked frame are the handlebars, stem, headset, fork, pedals, and seat post. Have an extra grand laying around??
First the good news. You won't have to change you shifters, derailer, cassette or crank. Hubs work for 8 or 9 speed without issue.

The bad news is that you will have to change a wheel...on the rear only. And, since this is a disc frame, you'll need a disc caliper and rotor. Since you already have cable brakes, you'll probably want to stick with a cable disc, otherwise you'll have to replace the brake lever and/or shifter. Having a disc in the rear and a v-brake up front isn't optimal but I don't think it huge problem. You'll just have to get used to it.

I'd talk with your shop and point out to them your issues. If you keep everything amicable, you should be alright. You might end up paying a bit out of pocket...I know it's not fair ... but see what you can get out of them. I'm sure they don't want to put you off of Treks in the future (and all your friends )

Good luck.
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Old 05-22-07, 10:08 AM
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I'd put a fuss until they make you happy.
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Old 05-23-07, 12:19 PM
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Here's an update for all of you who [never] cared... Apparently Trek makes frames that are used only for warranty replacement claims. All warranty replacement frames are specially made with both disc mounts and canti-studs to take care of people who may be filing warranty claims for older frames (such as mine). So it turns out they are replacing my seven year old 8900 with a 2008 8500 ZR9000 that has canti-studs. The new frame also weighs 62 grams less. Score!!
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Old 05-23-07, 05:54 PM
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Word. All that *****in' and bellyachin' for nothing.
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I was hoping you'd get f'd in the ass .... just for typing f'd in the ass.. as I really hate reading that.
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Old 05-23-07, 06:59 PM
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Word. All that *****in' and bellyachin' for nothing.
Sorry to disappoint... I could go on to complain about the crappy customer service at my local Trek dealer, however...
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Old 05-23-07, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtPedalerB
I was hoping you'd get f'd in the ass .... just for typing f'd in the ass.. as I really hate reading that.
But in the end, it was not I who was sodomized. Trek gets mega points for backing their product and providing a smart solution.
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Old 06-01-07, 05:41 PM
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Here it is: the infamous cracked 8900SL that you love so much. Looks fine, and it rode perfectly, but a closer inspection reveals that it could have failed at any moment.


I scraped some of the paint away just to see it it was more than a paint flaw. With the paint removed, we see that the weld did in fact have a small crack. Who knows how long it was there.


The brand new warranty replacement frame arrived today. Since Trek no longer makes the 8900, I received this considerably better looking 8500 frame. Despite the drop in number, the 8500 is Trek's most high-end aluminum hardtail at the moment, which is what my 8900 was back in Y2K. The new 8500 weighs 62 grams less, and is much better braced. And of course, I didn't pay a dime for it.


Lets hope this ZR9000 frame holds up better than its predecessor.


Tearing down and reassembling a bike sucks without adequate space or a bike stand... The hammer is my favorite tool. It turns out the old and new frame use a different diameter seat tube, so I will have to absorb that cost, plus some cables, but I'd say I lucked out. I should have it fully assembled and rolling down the trail by tomorrow afternoon after I buy those last few parts at the shop.
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Old 06-01-07, 07:25 PM
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I can see you dancing around your new frame singing "I am a lucky boy"
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