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Old 08-17-07, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dminor View Post
I said that with tongue-in-cheek, s. Most of you are probably more mature than I am
I doubt it. Did you see how long we flogged that 'sucks' joke?
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I doubt it. Did you see how long we flogged that 'sucks' joke?
That joke SUCKS!
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Being a punk is more a state of mind than an age. I'm about 12.
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Interesting read in the latest Dirt Rag. First time I've ever seriously thought of buying a 29eer after I read this article:

http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/arti...egory=features
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Originally Posted by 7rider View Post
Interesting read in the latest Dirt Rag. First time I've ever seriously thought of buying a 29eer after I read this article:

http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/arti...egory=features
Maybe the most important point in there was the clarification of the origin of 26" wheels -- they were marketed to the under-16 crowd after the war.

Maybe, if it wasn't for that, we'd have been riding ~29ers already.
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Old 08-19-07, 02:00 PM
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Finally, I thought I'd share the picture I have of the market here in Finland: all the bigger shops have 29ers now (including the biggest chain, Bike Planet) as well as in the smaller specialist shops (Pyörähuolto and others).

It seems that there is a larger than expected interest in singlespeed 29ers, because it's almost impossible to buy any from the 2007 season, at this point. That doesn't meanö a large interest in absolute terms, just that there are a few fellows rather disappointed, right now.
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Old 08-21-07, 09:16 AM
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Just food for thought. Check out Gary Fisher's stable of 2008 29ers. http://fisherbikes.com/bike/series/twoniners/

For more 29er goodness check out http://twentynineinches.com.
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Here's more food for thought. Recumbent Trikes Canada has a lot on recumbent trikes.
http://www.recumbenttrikes.ca/
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interesting. Compare the GF Cobia and GF Piranha. Very similarly equipped but the price difference is about $250.

So, why am I paying about 25% more (for a 29er), when I am only gaining 3% more in efficiency/momentum.

What do you call it? fad? marketing? bigger is better? insatiable consumarism?
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Originally Posted by sherpaPeak View Post
What do you call it? fad? marketing? bigger is better? insatiable consumarism?
I think the word is Californication!
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Please, no! Well, I visit occasionally; but they booooooorrrrre me. You young punks are much more fun.
You in the 50+ forum is like me in the clyde forum - same planet, different worlds.
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A couple guys I know got to ride the GF superfly at trek world, and the both said it was the best bike they had ever ridden. They are both now in the process of selling/stripping down their bikes so they can buy one. One of the guys was a total 29" hater before he rode one too, the "steel is real, 26" wheels and V brakes are the best" type guys.
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Originally Posted by sherpaPeak View Post
interesting. Compare the GF Cobia and GF Piranha. Very similarly equipped but the price difference is about $250.

So, why am I paying about 25% more (for a 29er), when I am only gaining 3% more in efficiency/momentum.

What do you call it? fad? marketing? bigger is better? insatiable consumarism?

For me, the difference would be a bike that fits me vs a bike that does not fit me. I never found a 26" wheeled bike that really fit me even though I rode/owned/demoed over a dozen different bikes through the years. I always felt as if I was riding on top of a bike rather than riding a bike.

The first rime that I rode a 29er I realized that I was finally riding a bike that fit and felt good. I could actually climb comfortably and (knock on wood) I have not had an endo crash since buying my 29er 4 years ago. I won't ever buy a 26" wheel bike again.

Of course, the next guy might have a completely different experience with a 29er and might not like them at all. That's the nice thing about this situation...people have more choices to find a bike that works for them.
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Originally Posted by Berg417448 View Post
For me, the difference would be a bike that fits me vs a bike that does not fit me. I never found a 26" wheeled bike that really fit me even though I rode/owned/demoed over a dozen different bikes through the years. I always felt as if I was riding on top of a bike rather than riding a bike.

The first rime that I rode a 29er I realized that I was finally riding a bike that fit and felt good. I could actually climb comfortably and (knock on wood) I have not had an endo crash since buying my 29er 4 years ago. I won't ever buy a 26" wheel bike again.

Of course, the next guy might have a completely different experience with a 29er and might not like them at all. That's the nice thing about this situation...people have more choices to find a bike that works for them.

if it works for you. then great. ride it.

its just that I am not convinced. Also, that "riding on top of a bike rather than riding a bike" is taken right from 29er marketing book. I thought we are suppose to ride on a bike. not ride in or under.

anyway, have you actually ridden a 29er on a twisty technical (vague I know) terrain with uneven trail features like roots, rocks, stones and sharp swithchbacks (I am not assumming or trying to affend you. Just asking an honest question)? I did. and I found the 29er front end to be pretty lazy and with the long frok it also makes for a pretty flexy front end. Although, I think the 29er will shine on the terrain where one used to ride a cruiser bike or hybrid.

What business and marketing research did is, they learnt to play with our minds. Now they carefully creates phrases and catch words that works on our psyche and after hearing it for a certain time, it feels like its our own words......like "riding on top of a bike rather than riding a bike". heck, "Volvo for life" is stuck in my whole family.
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Riding on top of a bike is exactly the feeling I had. I didn't learn it from any marketing hype. It is simply how it felt and when I rode the 29er the difference was instantly obvious. Every once in a while the marketing hype accidentally gets one right.

I ride twisty, rooty, occasionally rocky trails all of the time. I do fine with it. Some 29ers are better on that type terrain than others...they are not all the same...depends upon their geometry. Did you ride more than one brand of 29er on the same trail? Would you make a judgement about how all all 26 inch wheeled bikes ride after riding only one bike?

There really isn't anything for you to be convinced about anyway. If it doesn't work for you then you don't need one. But that doesn't mean that someone else won't find a 29er to be exactly what they want. If a 29er didn't work better for me I wouldn't bother with one at all.
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hmmm, 8 years seems like a long time for a "trend"


and the "trend" is only getting more popular, seems like it would have peaked by now if it was a "trend"
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Originally Posted by Berg417448 View Post
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"Did you ride more than one brand of 29er on the same trail? Would you make a judgement about how all all 26 inch wheeled bikes ride after riding only one bike?"

you are absolutely right. I have not ridden any other 29er than Gary Fishers. So, its ignorance and quick judgement on my part. Also, I think I was expecting that I would have a "wow" feeling when I ride a 29er, cause some of the contributes in this forum mentioned that when the first sat on a 29er they felt amazing. I guess my expectation was too high.


"There really isn't anything for you to be convinced about anyway."
let me decide that. thats not your business.

"If it doesn't work for you then you don't need one."
- I see, you are making the decisions for me. and at the same time expecting me not to even express my view. funny.

"But that doesn't mean that someone else won't find a 29er to be exactly what they want."
- I dont have any problem with any one going for a 29er. if you read the title of the thread carefully you will see that its refering to a trend not an individual. and, for that particular reason my references are directed towards a trend not any individual. if it works for you, great. but my argument is about the 29er as a trend or as a "fad"....or trying to make sense of what it is...

I am sorry if I offended you. I am a firm believer of relativism...and unique individualism....if you know what works for you...its great.
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Originally Posted by sherpaPeak View Post
interesting. Compare the GF Cobia and GF Piranha. Very similarly equipped but the price difference is about $250.

So, why am I paying about 25% more (for a 29er), when I am only gaining 3% more in efficiency/momentum.

What do you call it? fad? marketing? bigger is better? insatiable consumarism?
Do you not think a 3% more efficiency is worth $250? Just think how muich more expensive are cassettes, seatposts, handlebars, cranksets etc. that are made of carbon fiber (or titanium, for cassettes) to make them just a few grams lighter. And those grams, all put together very dearly, will only mean maybe 0.5% increase in efficiency for the rider.
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops View Post
Do you not think a 3% more efficiency is worth $250?
no. i don't.
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Originally Posted by sherpaPeak View Post

"There really isn't anything for you to be convinced about anyway."
let me decide that. thats not your business.

"If it doesn't work for you then you don't need one."
- I see, you are making the decisions for me. and at the same time expecting me not to even express my view. funny.
I don't know where you are getting this. Please show me exactly where I said you were not supposed to express your view? Should I have said "If it doesn't work for you then you need to get one anyway".?

As far as whether it is a fad...I'd say more of a specialty. I doubt that it will ever be more than a small part of the market but I don't think it will disappear either. I see them being like single speeds. You'll see a few in your LBS but they won't ever be more than a small part of the selection unless a particular LBS decides to specialize in them.
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Turn this around --

Were 26" wheels functional, or part of a marketing trend?
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Turn this around --

Were 26" wheels functional, or part of a marketing trend?
Marketing ploy to get kids off of BMXs and start spending serious money.
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Marketing ploy to get kids off of BMXs and start spending serious money.
Ah, but remember, we're talking 1950 here...
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hmmm, 8 years seems like a long time for a "trend"


and the "trend" is only getting more popular, seems like it would have peaked by now if it was a "trend"
8 years from the very beginning to now. That isn't so long. I guess in the disposable culture we live in now that is an eternity.
How long was the Rubics cube around? (I hear it's making a comeback! How retro!)They even had World Championships on TV for a few years. A trend just means a movement in one direction or a pattern or a shift in a collective viewpoint.

The "trend" in the 70's was for bigger sized frames (as compare to now). The trend in road bikes during the 90's was for dramatically sloping top tubes. The trend now is back toward more traditional geometry but still with a bit of a slope, for some.

If you look at ACTUAL SALES of 29ers world wide, it would still be called a trend in my books. It's not a change that seems like it is here to stay (yet).
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I just got new tires for my 29er. Kenda Klaw's. I can't wait to try them out
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