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Old 08-14-03, 07:18 AM
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There is no denying that there is just something so cool about a hardtail with a rigid fork, mech disc brakes, and maybe a 1x9 or 2x9 drive train. The simpler the bike, the more time you will spend riding.
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Old 08-14-03, 08:34 AM
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Hey Buzzbomb, why go with a 1x9 or 2x9, go hardcore, full rigid, and a single speed. My buddy got a Redline MonoCog and for the price it's a pretty sweet set-up. He wanted to get a Karate Monkey, but the budget wouldn't allow for it. Me, my ss is one of those $35 steel frames from Nashbar. Built it up with mostly spare parts. Not a bad bike for the money!

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With all the talks of new technology on here, I've been thinking a lot more about how the sport has evolved. This used to be Mountain Biking. Plain and Simple. Now its XC racer, Downhill and Pro Freerider. When you buy a bike now you have to pick you catagory. Its great that bikes have advanced so far, but most are so specific to one type of riding that if you were to take that bike anywhere else the people you ride with would mock you.

These discussions make me feel even stronger that "trail bikes" ie Giant VT, Spec Enduro and others have a very meaningful place in the MTB world. They serve the all around purpose of being able to pretty much handle anything. No they aren't XC race bikes and they aren't full on freeride rigs, but they ride single track well, and you can DH and light freeride on them.

Personally I own an Enduro Comp. When it came time to purchase a new bike I looked at all the riding I do. I don't race anymore so a longer travel FS bike would suit me well for rough XC stuff and doing some drops. The bike doesn't climb as well as some, but I don't like climbing. If I had a bike that climbed like a goat I would still hate climbing. I like highspeed downhill singletrack so having a bike that excelled at that was more important. Whats great is that with a fork swap and possibly better disks I could easily downhill on the same bike.
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Old 08-14-03, 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by a2psyklnut
Hey Buzzbomb, why go with a 1x9 or 2x9, go hardcore, full rigid, and a single speed.
Ha! I wouldn't last 2 minutes on an SS. They are cool though...
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I would argue that suspension changes the skills needed in riding, not reduces. I basically see two sets of skills: trials skills and downhill skills. Compare a trials rider doing a drop to a freeride/dh rider doing a drop to see the massive differences in approach and attitude. This is reflected in the setup of their bikes.

I personally ride a 130 mm dj hardtail, an 80 mm xc hardtail, and a fixed roadie; but i have definetily lusted over many a dualy (especially the BMW link bike)!
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Tastes are tastes. But i fully agree with CopperRS , ok new tech is nice, but this strong categorisation is bad for my liking, personally i like to bomb downhills on a hardtail as i used in the past (12yrs ago) . I dont need a DH rig for that , but i know that if i had one i could push farther given the dual sus thing . Also i dont need an XC racer in order to climb up the mountain that i want to downhill later, my rig will do just fine , even if it takes me 10mins longer to climb. As i dont have the luxury of driving to a trail head , i ride all the bloody way to everywhere , so i need something all around, ups and downs. The thing is that i like the idea of simplicity and i am still a HT lover, though sometimes trendy ads, kranked videos etc tempt me to get a dually. Who knows.
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i love my HT as well. I'm actually converting it to a SS with slick tires to use as a commuter, so i can still get some ride time on it.
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Old 08-14-03, 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by copper RS
With all the talks of new technology on here, I've been thinking a lot more about how the sport has evolved. This used to be Mountain Biking. Plain and Simple. Now its XC racer, Downhill and Pro Freerider. When you buy a bike now you have to pick you catagory. Its great that bikes have advanced so far, but most are so specific to one type of riding that if you were to take that bike anywhere else the people you ride with would mock you.

My oh my oh my.
Of course bikes have to be purpose built. When you go to buy a bike you think of what you ride the most and choose. If you have enough money and you ride in 2 different categories (downhill and xc), then you buy 2 bikes. Bikes arent THAT specific, especially as specific as having people mock you if you brought the wrong bike. I mean god I dont know what to say, bikes just arent that freaking specific!!!!!!!! Somebody that owns a downhill bike isnt going to ride xc on it with other fast xc guys, and somebody that has a light full suspension xc bike isnt going to ride with the fast downhillers.
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Old 08-14-03, 05:57 PM
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Hey Buzzbomb, why go with a 1x9 or 2x9, go hardcore, full rigid, and a single speed.
well i really like the idea of simple and would love to have a singlespeed. actually i am thinking of building up a commuter singlespeed... but for trail riding... i just don't see how it's possible - how the heck do you get up the mountain for extreme steep downhill? (i RIDE up, i don't take a shuttle or a lift) for example for the 2 extreme downhills i did last weekend i climbed 2300meters (7600ft) and 1200meters (4300ft) respectively, both on trails in the 10-25% grade range, part asphalt and part gravel and i needed almost every one of my gears (22x34 is my lowest, and it would have been hard with anything larger than 22x28 as gravel at 25% is not easy - actually i had to walk the last part b/c it included drops/stairs on the UPHILL trail)

Somebody that owns a downhill bike isnt going to ride xc on it with other fast xc guys, and somebody that has a light full suspension xc bike isnt going to ride with the fast downhillers.
i disagree...i know 2 guys who ride rigid who bomb semi-technical trails faster than most of the XC riders with FS, plus i frequently pass (or have to stop and wait for them to clear) freeride/downhillers on major technical downhills (the guys with full armor and 150mm travel) on my XC FS (Specialized FSR with 80mm front, 90mm rear) wearing only my shin protectors. sure i probably COULD ride faster on a true DH bike... my only real concern is that my bike is not really built to take the abuse (today my rear shock got sent back to Fox for the 2nd time)

I would argue that suspension changes the skills needed in riding, not reduces. I basically see two sets of skills: trials skills and downhill skills. Compare a trials rider doing a drop to a freeride/dh rider doing a drop to see the massive differences in approach and attitude. This is reflected in the setup of their bikes.
i would agree that there are SOME different skills associated with riding FS, mainly b/c of the higher speeds, BUT given the same trail it is almost always easier to ride with more suspension and it takes MUCH of the skill out of it. bomb through a rock garden at 20mph on a FS rig and then try it on a rigid: the FS you can just sit back and the suspension does the work, on the rigid if you don't pull up the front end and pick a good line you're gonna crash!

anyway, all i was saying at the beginning is that I personally don't want all the technology to do the work for me (yes, FS is more comfortable and i like durably and i'm not being anti-technology or anything) but i want a simple bike that has less to break and requires lots of skill to ride ---- as i said i have a really hard time finding trails that are REALLY challenging on my XC FS. where would i ride if i had MORE suspension?
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Old 08-14-03, 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by KleinMp99
My oh my oh my.
Of course bikes have to be purpose built. When you go to buy a bike you think of what you ride the most and choose. If you have enough money and you ride in 2 different categories (downhill and xc), then you buy 2 bikes. Bikes arent THAT specific, especially as specific as having people mock you if you brought the wrong bike. I mean god I dont know what to say, bikes just arent that freaking specific!!!!!!!! Somebody that owns a downhill bike isnt going to ride xc on it with other fast xc guys, and somebody that has a light full suspension xc bike isnt going to ride with the fast downhillers.
you're statement just proves my point Mt biking has evolved from off road cycling to many forms of riding and in order to participate in "Mountian Biking" you HAVE to pick a catagory. You're not going to buy a trials bike to ride singletrack and you aren't going to buy a DH bike to do it either. No where in my previous post did I say this was a BAD thing. But you saying that bikes "aren't that specific " or "arent that freaking specific!!!!!!!!" is incorrect. Look at the geometries of each style I mentioned, hell look at each style bike as a whole. THEY AREN'T EVEN CLOSE TO BEING THE SAME.
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Old 08-15-03, 05:55 PM
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what is a rigid bike? I have been hearing alot about that
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Old 08-15-03, 06:01 PM
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a rigid bike is one without suspension - front or rear - i.e. a road bike or an old mtb bike.

for trails riding it is much more challenging as you have no front suspension and have to lift the front wheel for everything and "feel" all the bumbs.

hardtail is front suspension only.
full suspension or dual suspension or dually is suspension front and rear.
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Old 08-15-03, 07:44 PM
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I just really dont know how or why I am arguing about this. In saying they arent "that specific", I mean that you can use a wide range of bikes to ride in the same category. There is always the Extreme DH, Technical XC with lots of climbing, Road, and Trials which almost DEMAND a certain bike to keep up with good riders in each category. But at the same time there is freeriding, light DH, urban, "road" and other categories in which a wide range of bikes can be used. For freeride you can use anything from a rigid, to a long travel DH bike. Urban, you can use a BMX to a....long travel DH bike. Road.....well anything can be ridden on the road really but i'll say a hybrid to a 17lb road bike. If your really going to be getting into any of the categories hardcore though, you will want a more purpose built bike.
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Just started out DH and i own a XC Cube Analog Disc.


Yes first time it was hard. The trail itself wasnt so extreme, but its a rocky mountain with loads of "rock gardens" in a steep radius.

For me it was hard to keep my weight properly backwards because of the length of the steering neck - too long and suitted for XC.

Today im upgrade to a 40-50mm neck with a 70cm/5 rise handlebar.

Will give it more goes and see if things get better.

If its working i plan to upgrade to a 140 variable fork for more absorption.

But my friends on DH rings they just went over the rocks not really slowing down , while me, with my very little experience i had to slow down - slowing down most times makes things very dangerous and more unstable - and pick easier lines whenever was possible.
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C'mon, ed, bring out the clip:

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Just give it some time, it'll pick up.
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Just give it some time, it'll pick up.
Yup . . . that's what it needs to do . . . gain some steam . . .

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Yup . . . that's what it needs to do . . . gain some steam . . .

speaking of which, the dude at my LBS mentioned today that the aluminum slide rails on the Yeti 303 need to be greased after each ride. is that true?
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After every day's riding. Clean the rail and car then use the syringe they provide to pump the zerk with fresh grease and you're good for the next day. Yeah, it's another maintenance step but doesn't take that long. When I'm doing it at home, air compressor speeds the process.

Oh, and the rail isn't aluminum - - it's case-hardened carbon steel.
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Oh, and the rail isn't aluminum - - it's case-hardened carbon steel.
Oooohhhh - and this whole time I thought it was atomically hardened unobtainium. Looks like it was built on the cheap......
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Oooohhhh - and this whole time I thought it was atomically hardened unobtainium. Looks like it was built on the cheap......
Y'know, I think there was the optional rail with molybdenum-impregnated hard-coating over unobtanium with a graphite/carbon fiber core - - but it added a couple thousand to the frame-only price .
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