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Old 10-26-07, 04:41 PM
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All-Mountain Bike Recommendations?

Hi!

I'm looking for a bike. What kind of bike? I'm looking for a bike that will be used mostly for XC. Not racing, but fast/brisk fun. I'm also looking for a bike that can take some abuse and not fall apart. Not DH. A little FR. I think what I want is called an All-Mountain Bike (if this isn't what I want, please let me know! )?

I'm looking for a hardtail as well. My price range is 1000 - 1500$. But... if you know a really good bike that costs a touch more, let me know - I'm not being overly picky about price if it's a good deal.

What are some brands I should look at? Any specific models that you can recommend? Any parts I should be looking for that are designed for taking some abuse?

Thanks a lot!
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Have a look at a Brodie Bruzza.
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Doing a bit more research I've found two models that seem like they are what I want.

Norco Sasquatch: http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/.../sasquatch.php

Specialized P. All Mountain: http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=22157

How would you rate these bikes? Which would you choose, why?

Thanks.
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bike recommendation

For the xc bike that can take a beating. Go to ebay and look at canondale rush. It's not really light, but it's great at speed and goes downhill like a bat out of hell. It's joints are heavy enough that I don't think you can break it. Many of the lightweight suspension bikes look to have fragile joints. I have crossloaded this one many a time and it seems pretty tight.
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Originally Posted by Donegal View Post
For the xc bike that can take a beating. Go to ebay and look at canondale rush. It's not really light, but it's great at speed and goes downhill like a bat out of hell. It's joints are heavy enough that I don't think you can break it. Many of the lightweight suspension bikes look to have fragile joints. I have crossloaded this one many a time and it seems pretty tight.
You know he said he was looking for an all mountain hardtail right?
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Originally Posted by Zan View Post
Doing a bit more research I've found two models that seem like they are what I want.

Norco Sasquatch: http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/.../sasquatch.php

Specialized P. All Mountain: http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=22157

How would you rate these bikes? Which would you choose, why?

Thanks.
Sasquatch would my my pick but both are good rides.
I would also recommend the

Giant XTC Alliance (more XC oriented)
Kona Caldera (more trail oriented)
Iron Horse SACHEM (more trail oriented)

A XC style ride will have you stretched out more and a trail or all-mountain ride will have a more upright position. All of which can be altered a bit by swapping out components to get just the right feel.

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I'm trying to find some reviews on the Iron Horse Sachem 5.0, but can't find any? I also can't find any information on the fork (Marzocchi All Mountain 4?).

Does anyone have any experience with this bike, or the Norco Sasquatch?

Thanks for the input so far!
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What kind of prices are available to you in your area for those particular bikes? I don't think either bike is worth its MSRP of $1200-1300. The Norco has a pretty low end drivetrain, while the Specialized's fork is a stripped down, OEM-only version of a decent fork.

If it were me, I'd go custom. Something with a Fox Vanilla RLC fork.
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I'm gonna repeat my earlier suggestion, the Brodie Bruzza.

http://www.brodiebikes.com/2007/2007_bikes/bruzza.php
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Originally Posted by Zan View Post
Doing a bit more research I've found two models that seem like they are what I want.

Norco Sasquatch: http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/.../sasquatch.php

Specialized P. All Mountain: http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=22157

How would you rate these bikes? Which would you choose, why?

Thanks.
The Specialized P. Bikes are not really all mountain bikes, they're more trials/trick bikes. I dunno why specialized called that bike all mountain.

The Pitch and Enduro SL are all mountain bikes.


The pitch is probably closer to what you want... a bike you can ride everywhere, at a price you can afford.



See my next message re XC vs All Mountain geometry.
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Originally Posted by dirtbikedude View Post

A XC style ride will have you stretched out more and a trail or all-mountain ride will have a more upright position. All of which can be altered a bit by swapping out components to get just the right feel.
Actually, you have that reversed.

The XC bike will be steeper in the front, shorter wheel base and quicker handling (in order to dance nimbly picking a line between and around big crap).

The Downhill bike will have a lower bottom bracket, longer wheel base, less steep in the front, and slower handling (in order to track straight over big crap without deflecting).

An All Mountain bike will be somewhere between the two. The Enduro SL can move the shock mount to raise the bottom bracket and steepen the front end for a more XC geometry. it's still way longer and more relaxed than say an FSRXC.
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Santa Cruz Chameleon.
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Originally Posted by nycphotography View Post
Actually, you have that reversed.

The XC bike will be steeper in the front, shorter wheel base and quicker handling (in order to dance nimbly picking a line between and around big crap).

The Downhill bike will have a lower bottom bracket, longer wheel base, less steep in the front, and slower handling (in order to track straight over big crap without deflecting).

An All Mountain bike will be somewhere between the two. The Enduro SL can move the shock mount to raise the bottom bracket and steepen the front end for a more XC geometry. it's still way longer and more relaxed than say an FSRXC.
You misunderstood what I was saying. I was not talking about wheel base, head angle, etc, I was referring to the riding position. A xc bike has a longer effective top tube so the distance from the seat to the bars is a longer reach putting you in a more "roadie" position. Whereas all-mountain, freeride and dh will have a shorter effective top tube and a more upright position.

DBD
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My friend had/has an 06 Norco sasquatch, loves the thing to death. I have his Sasquatch frame (and selling it for $250 obo) and he switched the parts to a larger frame, with turned out to be the rampage. great bike by the couple rides i got on it.

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That Santa Cruz Chameleon looks sweet...

Thanks for the input!

Note: I'm looking for a hard tail.
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Originally Posted by nycphotography View Post
The Specialized P. Bikes are not really all mountain bikes, they're more trials/trick bikes. I dunno why specialized called that bike all mountain.

Could it be becuse they have put it togeather as an all mtn hardtail with a long travel fork.Have you had one on the Mountain?
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Just coming back to this "old" thread.

Doing a bit more research, I've determined that the Chameleon is out of my price range. I really want it to be under 1500$.

I'm looking at the Brodie Bruzza and Norco Sasquatch. They're similar, but different. Would either bike be suitable for longer distances? I've not had too much experience on a variety of bikes, so I don't have an idea of how they ride (and yes, I will test ride multiple bikes before I buy - I just want a ball park series of bikes to choose from). If I wanted to ride, let's say... 50 km off road, are these suitable bikes? Not racing - just having good times with my buddies. The geometry of these bikes is different than the road bikes / cheap mountain bikes I've ridden before.

Are these bikes more designed for short distance, with intense riding, or could they be used for distance as well?

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Originally Posted by Zan View Post
Just coming back to this "old" thread.

Doing a bit more research, I've determined that the Chameleon is out of my price range. I really want it to be under 1500$.

I'm looking at the Brodie Bruzza and Norco Sasquatch. They're similar, but different. Would either bike be suitable for longer distances? I've not had too much experience on a variety of bikes, so I don't have an idea of how they ride (and yes, I will test ride multiple bikes before I buy - I just want a ball park series of bikes to choose from). If I wanted to ride, let's say... 50 km off road, are these suitable bikes? Not racing - just having good times with my buddies. The geometry of these bikes is different than the road bikes / cheap mountain bikes I've ridden before.

Are these bikes more designed for short distance, with intense riding, or could they be used for distance as well?

Thanks.
I imagine the long-travel forks would get annoying but I know the Bruzza has a fairly comfortable cockpit according to the reviews I've read. You could do it, sure.
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just get an xc bike and be done with it
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Norco sasquatch = pig....good for dirt jumping

i just sold mine and am looking for a bike similar to your description of needs/wants

I am going the xc route in the under 1500 range. I talked with a few people and they say an xc isn't as fragile as some think. You can always upgrade parts as you blow them up(rims,fork)

Just test rode an 08 Cannodale f3......mmmmmm crispy. But may save up for a full suspension with lock outs
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I will second the Chameleon simply because it is what I have and what I have experience with. It seems to fit the bill of what you're looking for in terms of use.
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I will second the Chameleon simply because it is what I have and what I have experience with. It seems to fit the bill of what you're looking for in terms of use.
I'd agree - I really liked the Chameleon. I just don't think I can afford it. If I were to buy a new frame, I'd be looking at 600$ for just the frame or 1700$ for the frame with a kit. Since I really wanted to stay around 1200$, it's a touch out of my price range .

Or... is it feasible to buy the frame and parts separately and still stay under 1500$, without getting total crud components?
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ebay a chameleon. They come and go on there all the time! have you checked it out... you should.
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Wow the Chameleon has great reviews and it weighs in around 27 with the d-xc build . You may have sold me. Just put in some overtime and eat KD for a month Zan.
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Chameleon is a good choice, but its also a more obvious choice.

if I were you I would try the Banshee Viento. I would get the frame and a good build kit. and build it myself. But, I would definitely have a very nice bike that would stand out.

http://www.cactusbike.com/store/cont...duct_id=FRM611

I have ridden this bike and liked it a lot.

good luck. Norco Fireball is another of my favorit. more of an XC bike, but it is built very well.
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