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Old 02-08-08, 03:59 PM
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Opinions on Hayes

What do you all think of Hayes? I have Nine's now, and I'm having trouble with them. Thinking about the Stroker's. What does anyone think about them? What the difference between the 'trail' and the 'ryde'? Opinions? Experiences?

I might have the Nines worked on, maybe rebuilt, I don't know. I was out for a ride the other day and I completely lost braking power in the front and the rear has always been off a little.

Before I posted this I called the shop I've been going to, and they told me they can't work on the Nines. The guy I talked to said they have had no luck bleeding them and won't do it. Recommended I call other shops. Weird, but honest I guess. So that's why I'm asking.

Anything else to recommend?
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Old 02-08-08, 04:16 PM
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I gave my Nine's to my son and picked up a pair of Hope Mono Mini's with floating rotors... I would recommend ditching the Hayes if you can... I had problems with one side dragging (piston sticking)... I have fixed the sticking piston, but it ruined the pads...
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I'm waiting for my Stroker Trails to come right now so cannot comment on them yet. I'm ran a set of HFX Mag HDs all of last season with zero troubles. They were meticulously set up and bled when installed and never gave an ounce of trouble all season. My son has an older set of Nines and has had lever/actuator rod troubles.

The differences that I see betwen the Trail and Ryde models are in the adjusability of the lever reach (The Ryde does not have the nice, knurled thumb wheel in the lever) and the fact that with the Trail, you get a forged caliper, where with the Ryde you get a cast one.
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Originally Posted by dminor View Post
I'm waiting for my Stroker Trails to come right now so cannot comment on them yet. I'm ran a set of HFX Mag HDs all of last season with zero troubles. They were meticulously set up and bled when installed and never gave an ounce of trouble all season. My son has an older set of Nines and has had lever/actuator rod troubles.

The differences that I see betwen the Trail and Ryde models are in the adjusability of the lever reach (The Ryde does not have the nice, knurled thumb wheel in the lever) and the fact that with the Trail, you get a forged caliper, where with the Ryde you get a cast one.
I did see that as well. It looks like the trail has an adjustment for the hose angle into the caliper where the ryde does not. I just wasn't sure if the internals were differnet at all.

Did you get them pre-bled, like when you buy from an online store, or did you bleed them yourself? I tried bleeding one of my nines, and maybe it's because I don't have a stand where I can rotate the bike vertical, but I didn't get it set right. When the guy at the shop told me they wouldn't do it, it really makes me think I probably won't be able to do it either. So I don't know.
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If you have the Hayes kit, you should be able to bleed the brakes in a few minutes.
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Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
IWhen the guy at the shop told me they wouldn't do it, it really makes me think I probably won't be able to do it either. So I don't know.
I've never had a problem with my nines HD's and/or bleeding them at the shop where I work.

Maybe your shop is too cheap to buy the bleed kit that has a little hose connector for the lever???
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Mine did not come pre-bled. But I have to confess that I did not personally bleed that set - - the young guy at the shop I ride for who is their "bleed-meister" did it. I learned a trick or two from seeing him do it that I will use when I set my next ones up. It takes two horse syringes (don't bother with the Hayes bleed kit) with a short length of plastic tubing on the end of each. This will allow you to force the fluid back and forth between the caliper and master cylinder to explunge all of the bubbles. It also lets you see the air bubbles rise in the upper syringe, so you can be sure you got all of the bubbles out. Horse (or cattle) syringes can be had at any place that sells venterinary supplies.

I also remember him admonishing me to be sure, after all of the air is purged and the MC bleed screw back to very slightly squeeze your bottom syringe to be sure the bladder in the MC is expanded (the lever master cylinder has a bladder in it that expands some) before closing the bottom bleed screw. (I cannot vouch for the necessity of this; but it worked) He says that your Mc will not have its full, proper reservoir volume if you don't. Oh, and keep a bottle of alcohol handy to douse down and dilute any fluid theat might get onto stuff.
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Originally Posted by never View Post
If you have the Hayes kit, you should be able to bleed the brakes in a few minutes.
I have the kit, and I have done it. Something didn't work though. I have the sheety Performance stand where the bike's bottom bracket sits on it. The hose seems like it is mostly parallel with the ground like that, and I must not have gotten all the air out.


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Mine did not come pre-bled. But I have to confess that I did not personally bleed that set - - the young guy at the shop I ride for who is their "bleed-meister" did it. I learned a trick or two from seeing him do it that I will use when I set my next ones up. It takes two horse syringes (don't bother with the Hayes bleed kit) with a short length of plastic tubing on the end of each. This will allow you to force the fluid back and forth between the caliper and master cylinder to explunge all of the bubbles. It also lets you see the air bubbles rise in the upper syringe, so you can be sure you got all of the bubbles out. Horse (or cattle) syringes can be had at any place that sells venterinary supplies.

I also remember him admonishing me to be sure, after all of the air is purged and the MC bleed screw back to very slightly squeeze your bottom syringe to be sure the bladder in the MC is expanded (the lever master cylinder has a bladder in it that expands some) before closing the bottom bleed screw. (I cannot vouch for the necessity of this; but it worked) He says that your Mc will not have its full, proper reservoir volume if you don't. Oh, and keep a bottle of alcohol handy to douse down and dilute any fluid theat might get onto stuff.
My girlfriend has a horse and works at a barn too, guess she's bringing me something home tonight. Thanks for the tip, I will definitely try it this way.

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I've never had a problem with my nines HD's and/or bleeding them at the shop where I work.

Maybe your shop is too cheap to buy the bleed kit that has a little hose connector for the lever???
Could be. I just started going there, but I've heard good things about the place, so this one I'll let go.

Thanks for the help guys.
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Old 02-15-08, 03:40 PM
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Dminor - Do you know if the strokers use the same mounting brackets that the rest of the hayes brakes use? I couldn't find anything on the site saying otherwise, so I assume they're the same.
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Dminor - Do you know if the strokers use the same mounting brackets that the rest of the hayes brakes use? I couldn't find anything on the site saying otherwise, so I assume they're the same.
Are you asking about caliper mounting adapters? Yes, they should be the same as for the rest of the line.

As a matter of fact, I'm running an Avid 8" post-to-post adapter on my front Hayes and it is fine.
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Yeah, that's what I was asking about. Thanks.

I found the Stroker Trail pretty cheap, so I went ahead and picked 'em up. Hope I like 'em, we'll see.

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Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
When the guy at the shop told me they wouldn't do it, it really makes me think I probably won't be able to do it either. So I don't know.
I would be looking for another shop where you can get a mechanic to bleed them for you / explain / show you how to bleed them.

Hayes Nines work well when beld well - I have never had a problem with mine at all.
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I have had issues with mine where they seem to start dragging every time I remove the wheels and then re install them. It almost seems like the exact amount of tension on the quick release is changing the alignment of the caliper. Anyone else have this issue?
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Old 02-16-08, 01:44 AM
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I have had issues with mine where they seem to start dragging every time I remove the wheels and then re install them. It almost seems like the exact amount of tension on the quick release is changing the alignment of the caliper. Anyone else have this issue?
Had that with my Juicy 5's.

Maybe i just fail at brakes.
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I've had hayes nines for nearly three years now without a hint of trouble.
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