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Old 02-12-08, 08:20 PM
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Not digging the feel of my 07 Preston frame. I far more dig the "in" the bike feel of my hardtails, vs. the "on" the bike feel of the Preston. A bit of tweaking here and there hasn't alleviated that feeling, so...

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Going for a custom, methinks. Built around a 66deg head angle with my 66ATA at 180mm. 13.5" bb height. 15" seattube. 22.5" TT. 16.5" stays. Should come in about the same weight, maybe just a touch less. Lower bike, drastically lower toptube and center of gravity ought to give me the feeling I'm wanting. A good east coast techy trail ripper that I can ride big and little stuff on.



Not 100% sure yet; going to see if the Preston can be dialed in to give me the ride I'm wanting first. Unfortunately, trail conditions right now are crap around here, so I can't do much with that just yet.
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Is it doing anything up there in CT?
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You gonna sell the Preston frame?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smashy View Post
Is it doing anything up there in CT?
rain/sleet. then cold enough to get in a day of riding here and there, then things thaw and become a mud pit. but never staying warm enough for long enough to really dry things up. the really good stuff is all still under much snow though. the place sporadically ridable the last while are places the preston is way overkill for, so haven't been able to give it a fair shake. if i had vacation time to burn right now, i'd fly to moab...


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naw, not selling yet. i need to get more time on it before taking that drastic of a step. coming from such a long hardtail background, it's taken me a while to get used to running more. got front and rear dialed to about 30% the other day, and it felt much better. after some decent time on it come springtime, if still not feeling the love, then i'll go for something else.

also took the time to dial in the fit of things to mimic the fit of the hardtail (which i love) better. seat to pedals to stem, etc. only difference now is running 20mm shorter stem on the preston. i think that'll be the key. i'd still like a shorter wheelbase and much shorter seattube/lower center of gravity, lower bb height. i like the slack angles, but to get that in the shorter travel frame i want means running way more fork than i need which skews the other stuff. i'm thinking of the new frame as a super low slung heckler on 'roids.
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Could the "on" vs "in" feel have anything to do with the shock?
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Could the "on" vs "in" feel have anything to do with the shock?
that would be the needing to run more sag part. yep. i'm so used to being on the hardtails, i tend to run the rear shock way firmer than i should. dropping it to 30% sag felt much better, just sitting on the bike. i'll try a few rides there, then try 35-40% just to see how it feels. i can drop some spacer out from under the stem as well. new frame/fork, so wanted to make sure and leave a bit extra before trimming it all the way down...

also slid my seat back a touch more, and rotated my bars back a bit more, to get me a bit more rearward bias, and "slacken" my seat tube a bit more that way. also have a new bar 1.5" wider, a bit lower, and with more up and backseep on. feels good so far.
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Interesting. I feel more "in" my new fs bike than my old hardtail. Although the bb height is a little higher, and I have 50mm more travel on the front, the standover is quite a bit lower, and it just fits me better. Granted its only 120 front/110 rear.

I would think 180mm up front is a bit much unless you're pointed downhill.. but I could be wrong, I've never ridden anything with that much travel.
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Interesting. I feel more "in" my new fs bike than my old hardtail. Although the bb height is a little higher, and I have 50mm more travel on the front, the standover is quite a bit lower, and it just fits me better. Granted its only 120 front/110 rear.

I would think 180mm up front is a bit much unless you're pointed downhill.. but I could be wrong, I've never ridden anything with that much travel.
yep, it's overkill, but it gets me the slack head angle i like. the custom frame would have a 1/2" lower bb and shorter headtube to help drop the overall height down, with much lower standover and seattube. and designed around a160mm fork, but able to take the 180mm for hitting the lifts.

the bikes with the angles i like tend to be way bigger travel and burliness than i need. i've just come to develop a taste for slack angles though. the changes i've done described above though may make all the difference in loving vs. hating the preston. really liked the fit and feel of the transiton covert the preston replaced, but to get the slackness i wanted, would have meant running a fork that would have not only voided the warrantee, but messed up the other stuff. thus the desire for a custom.

upside if i go custom with swd: i can sell the preston for nearly what his frame would cost me.
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SWD, local, very cool! About an hour and a half from me.

Good luck with what ever you choose, and keep us posted!
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Try a Fox float rp3 or rp23 rear shock, might give you the feel of a hardtail. Rockshox rear shocks are crud.
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Fascinating! Looks like a mini version of the Crazy 8. SWD is a hands-down awesome little company (not to detract from my current sponsor, of course ) - - and Steve DeLay and his wife are a couple of the nicest people you will ever meet. I cannot say enough good things about SWD. I probably would have pursued them had I not gotten hooked up with Transition.

(Funny aside note: Steve is a short guy with a tall sense of humor. SWD is actually his initials; but he jokes that it stands for "Short White Dude." He got into frame-building because nobody at the time was making DH frames that fit him.)

I'm am mildly curious why you didn't give the Vagrant a second look if you like the idea of a slack hardtail.
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Originally Posted by xcracer13 View Post
Try a Fox float rp3 or rp23 rear shock, might give you the feel of a hardtail. Rockshox rear shocks are crud.
you've missed the point. running the shock too firm, or with too much platform is part of what is making the bike sit and feel too high. running more sag is alleviating that.


yeah, um, no on the fox. thanks for the suggestion, but the stuff i'm not liking about the bike isn't going to be fixed by swapping to a different shock. the monarch, and the manitou swinger 4-way air i was running before worked just fine. the issue isn't the shocks, but my setting them up too firmly. for this bike, fore sag and squishy os overall better. even running it full open, without any of the platfrom going, i get little to no pedal bob.
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Fascinating! Looks like a mini version of the Crazy 8. SWD is a hands-down awesome little company (not to detract from my current sponsor, of course ) - - and Steve DeLay and his wife are a couple of the nicest people you will ever meet. I cannot say enough good things about SWD. I probably would have pursued them had I not gotten hooked up with Transition.

(Funny aside note: Steve is a short guy with a tall sense of humor. SWD is actually his initials; but he jokes that it stands for "Short White Dude." He got into frame-building because nobody at the time was making DH frames that fit him.)

I'm am mildly curious why you didn't give the Vagrant a second look if you like the idea of a slack hardtail.
pssth. i've already got a hardtail slack enough for me. 67 deg with the 160mm nixon. loooooove this bike.


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Gotcha. Keep us in the loop on this (well, you always do . . . .); looks like a cool project.
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........ Rockshox rear shocks are crud.
How so?
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how bout running a shorter shock? that would give you a firm feel, but have the bike sit lower?
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how bout running a shorter shock? that would give you a firm feel, but have the bike sit lower?
nah. the firm shock is the wrong way to go. more sag=down lower. shorter shock also would mess up other geometry numbers with the bike.

played with it today, and decided. screw it. custom 6-gun frame ordered. 3-4 weeks. hopefully. though i've never had a custom be done exactly on time, so i'll be very impressed if it's actually done in that time.

the preston frame will go up for sale after the new one arrives. it ought to sell for nearly as much as the new one will run, plus, taxes this year are being very good to me.
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the preston frame will go up for sale after the new one arrives. it ought to sell for nearly as much as the new one will run
Why, then, would I buy from you when I can by new?
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Why, then, would I buy from you when I can by new?
You're under no obligation to buy from him.
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Why, then, would I buy from you when I can by new?
The frame he's planning on selling isn't the same as the one he just bought.
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You're under no obligation to buy from him.
Just curious.

The business side of things intrigue me.

What's the depreciation rate for bikes anyhow?
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Mean rate is 17.6% anually but it varies significantly between brands, types, etc.
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the preston frame will go up for sale after the new one arrives. it ought to sell for nearly as much as the new one will run, plus, taxes this year are being very good to me.
Very cool man! When I was building up my trail bike I threw around the idea of getting one, but never pursued it.

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Why, then, would I buy from you when I can by new?
reading comprehension!

selling the old preston frame which will cover nearly the price of the new frame. which is not a preston. and coming without a shock, i'm getting for much less. comprende?
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reading comprehension!
Ahh. got it.

I think I'm a little addled today... at one point I actually thought that (sqrt(2)) ^ 3 = 4 (correct answer is 2 root 2)
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