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Old 10-16-03, 12:26 PM
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Bike Snobs! Don't be one!

I was thinking a lot about some of the advice that I and we give here at BikeForums. It seems that many of us have become "bike snobs" without really realizing it.

I've been in cycling (seriously) for a long time (almost 20 years). It's what I do, it's what I enjoy participating, and discussing. However, I find myself forgetting that not everyone is willing to spend $4,000 + dollars on their bike.

We get a lot of newbies here asking for advice, and sometimes bragging about their $400 new bike. We (bike snobs) need to remember, most of us started riding Huffy's and Road Masters.

Let's remeber to tone down the superiority and empathize with the person asking advice.

If I sound like a snob, I am. But I apologize for coming across bragadocious. I'm really try to remain humble about this wonderful activity we enjoy.

One of the best ways I know how to "knock" myself down is to take a friend riding for the first time on some singletrack. Their excitment of the new experience rekindles my own "Fire".

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a2, I envy you. I know if I had the money I would have a bike fit for a king and would probably rub it in peoples faces, sometimes on purpose other times unknownly. I do however love my bike. It has held up strong and gets the job done. I will ride the crap out of it and enjoy what I am doing even though the whole time I am just waiting to get myself a new bike, then 2, and maybe someday I will have 4 or 5. I do not despise the people that think I have a bad bike or get mad when they look down at me because I am probably looking up at them.
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Bike snob.

A2, I don't know why you're picking on me! What did I ever do to make you want to bad mouth me this way? Just cause my bike cost $6728 and change doesn't mean I look down on that piddly $4000 piece of junk you're pedaling. Does it?

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When somebody asks me what kind of bike they should buy to start off with I tell them to buy something cheap and or used. Then if they get into cycling, upgrade. That way they don't have a $4000 dollar bike collecting dust in their garage. But then again thats how I got my Softride and one of my Bianchis so it can benefit us snobs
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Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
I was thinking a lot about some of the advice that I and we give here at BikeForums. It seems that many of us have become "bike snobs" without really realizing it.

I've been in cycling (seriously) for a long time (almost 20 years). It's what I do, it's what I enjoy participating, and discussing. However, I find myself forgetting that not everyone is willing to spend $4,000 + dollars on their bike.

We get a lot of newbies here asking for advice, and sometimes bragging about their $400 new bike. We (bike snobs) need to remember, most of us started riding Huffy's and Road Masters.

Let's remeber to tone down the superiority and empathize with the person asking advice.

If I sound like a snob, I am. But I apologize for coming across bragadocious. I'm really try to remain humble about this wonderful activity we enjoy.

One of the best ways I know how to "knock" myself down is to take a friend riding for the first time on some singletrack. Their excitment of the new experience rekindles my own "Fire".

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I take offense to this A2... who are you to tell me I can not be a bike snob? You? well then you are just as bad as I am

See I could be a prick if I wanted to.... but I'm just kidding

Actually I have gotten 2 people into mtbing within the past few months, and I agree with you.. seeing newbies progress is probably better than me progressing myself!

Yah, we'll tone down the snob-generator a bit! (but I'm so good I NEVER act like a snob... wait I just did..hahaha)

Good topic A2!
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Old 10-16-03, 02:29 PM
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It's all good, I love the sh*t outta my $400 bike, and am not afraid to ride the crap out of it... hell, it was all i could afford... and im happy! I have too many hobbies to spend a lot on just 1 unfortunatly. Just because I ride a $400 bike doesn't make me a newbie, and I think a lot of people overlok that. They automatically assume based on what you are riding. Oh well! I have fun either way
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we all know that my fixed gear is better than any mountain bike anyways because i don't have brakes and a shamu horn.

nah, but i second what you say. i hate to tell people the price of bike when they asked since they will think it's "a lot" when it really isn't in comparsion. or say that theirs cost more. what i think it all boils down to is, you either ride or you don't. i remember bombing hills on a 40 lb huffy 10 years ago. it's all about the thrill. plus it kinda of makes it fun to smoke a "bike snob" on their $4k bike on your $300 rigid.
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Old 10-16-03, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkyonions
plus it kinda of makes it fun to smoke a "bike snob" on their $4k bike on your $300 rigid.
true that
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Old 10-17-03, 01:25 AM
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I am a "bike snob" because I've been working in a bike shop for years. I've been biking a lot of years.

Someone says "I really like the Marzocchi EXR comp. Should I get that or the Manitou Black Elite"

I recomend the Black because it is, in my opinion and experience, a significantly better fork. But that person flips out OR says "Thanks, i'll get the Marzocchi."

When people don't consider a professional opinion, that is when it begins to bother me. And that's when I become short with people. I am a bike snob because I have been doing it for a long time and people take my opinion (and MANY of others on this, and other, boards) for granted.
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Old 10-17-03, 05:15 AM
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I hope I don't become a bike snob when I grow up.. I have an "el cheapo bisiketa"..

I, sure, can't afford a $4000 bike.. I haven't even seen/touched a $4000 bike(MTB) yet..

And BAC5.2:
As a newbie(biking) and a professional(in my field), I have always respected professional opinion, (all opinions as a matter of fact..) But it may be stupidity or ignorance for people to think otherwise, not because they don't respect your opinion. And feeling bad about that does not make you a snob, it makes you human.

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Old 10-17-03, 10:44 AM
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Congratulations on A2 for picking up this topic. Anyhow, beeing a researcher into financial markets/mathematics and psychology patterns i have to comment this. In relation with Bac5.2 comment about people's opinions when they ask advice, it seems that some people ask advice, given the advice they get from you/us, they put themselves into a prisoner's dillema type game (J.Nash Game theory), and they conclude to a certain opinion of their own (equilibrium point). This point may not be rational all the time, given the advice, after all we humans are well known to be irrational animals. Otherwise we wouldnt ruin the planet we live on, we wouldnt bomb innocent people, and in general we wouldnt fight each other.... Returning now to the topic itself, well snobs in general are people that are not good enough in what they are doing. Personally i may have been one sometimes but then again i have to admit that at some times my level of skill etc etc wasnt the desired one and this caused psychological sideeffects (complexes) that may result in bike snobbing .
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I think people get on the defensive when knowledgable people recomend a certain part.

Someone came into the shop the other day and wanted some Sun SubIV rims. Now he was a clydesdale, 265lb Big fella. I recomend a slightly beefier rim that would last more than one ride (Sun Rhynolite). I've never heard a big guy ***** and moan SO much about how I don't know how to do my job. How I don't know how to work on bikes. How I don't know how to deal with a customer. I calmly explained why exactly a 400g rim would crumble like a 3 month old pretzel under the stresses he would put it through, but to no avail.

I ordered the rims for him, to the tune of ~165 USD for the two of them. Built the wheels 3x using his spec of Wheelsmith 14/15/14 triple butted spokes. Total cost for the wheelset (including hubs) was close to 500 bucks. Tensioned perfectly, and stress relieved as I always do.

2 weeks later he had spider cracks all over the rims, broken spokes, and so many flat spots, he'd have a smoother ride on a stopsign. He went to one of our other stores to build some Rhynolites.

It's that kind of crap that I hate, and that kind of ignorance that puts me on the defensive and makes me come off as "snobish" when I know what a part will and will not do.
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Damn!!!! After years and years of saving, I finally have the cash to blow on a nice scoot, and now you're telling me not to be a snob!

Dammit - that's not right!!!!
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yea I agree with BAC's case, I hate it when customers are stubborn about stuff and think they know more than you, but what can we do.
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I think it's funny when people pull the reverse snob bit and rag on guys with $4000 rigs. It's just as bad as the guy with the $4000 rig looking down on the folks on less expensive ones. Give me a break. If you're having fun, you're doing it right and you're on the right equipment. Not everyone on a nice bike is an ass. Asses ride bikes from all price points.
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[Roadie bike snob butting in here!]

All good points. And when you get right down to it, it's the powerplant that matters most. If you ride in a fast group, who's setting the pace? The guys with the big engines. And you can't buy those at Supergo....
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Equipment makes a difference though. You won't be leading the pack if you are on a 30lb MTB from Wal-mart. If I was on an Allez or Litespeed, I would kick Lance's ass if he were on one of those bikes. Equipment makes a difference.

I hate people who hate me for the bike I ride. Because it's worth a lot, doesn't mean I paid a lot. And I won't ride sub-par parts just so those people will like me.
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Bac, big words. What category do you race?
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Originally Posted by BAC5.2
Equipment makes a difference though. You won't be leading the pack if you are on a 30lb MTB from Wal-mart. If I was on an Allez or Litespeed, I would kick Lance's ass if he were on one of those bikes. Equipment makes a difference.


Thanks, I haven't seen anything that funny on BF in a week.
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Being middle of the road with my bikes (1000+) I have run into snobery on both sides, but there are more that are not snobs and they are more fun to be around anyway. Most LBS I have are great I had one that turned his nose up at my 20 year old San Remo wanted to sell me an aluminum frame thing for $700 took my Remo to a different shop and likes it.
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If it's not worth at least 3000 dollars, it's not worth my time.



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[QUOTE=BAC5.2]Equipment makes a difference though. You won't be leading the pack if you are on a 30lb MTB from Wal-mart. If I was on an Allez or Litespeed, I would kick Lance's ass if he were on one of those bikes. Equipment makes a difference.
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Agree with you to a point. On the other hand, unless you're putting out 500W for an hour straight, I'll put my dollar on that Armstrong guy riding a 30lb X-Mart bike with Luke in a child seat and the twins in a Burley.
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I own some expensive equipment for hobbies I'm really into. I think this can be said of many enthusiasts or afficionados. I admit I do have what some would consider expensive bikes but I've also owned inexpensive ones. I didn't start out buying the most expensive thing I could find. I started out buying what I could afford. I try and not look down on less expensive bikes because price does not necessarily make quality and justifications aren't the same across the populace. The bikes I do however take issue with are those that are not just cheap in price but cheaply made and can be dangerous. Yes, I too started out on a big heavy Huffy. But it wasn't the weight or even the frame durability that concerned me... actually the frame was rather overbuilt straight guage hi-ten steel which lent a lot to its weight. And the components while rather dodgy and never really worked right at least worked to some extent or another. No, the biggest issue I had were the brakes and rims. Poor quality brakes combined with cheap steel rims made for some dangerous bikes back then.

When I made my first bike purchase (previous bikes were bought for me) with my own hard-earned money from my first job (summer job as a teenager) I sure didn't have $4,000 to throw on the counter. I didn't even have $400. I forked over $300 for a Specialized HardRock because I knew I didn't want another dangerous bike. Also having owned bad bikes before taught me quite a bit about how to take care of and repair my equipment. I rode the HardRock until I bent its chainstay and then moved on to a more expensive bike. Subsequent purchases have been more expensive as I found I could afford them.

I admit that given the choice between riding a really high-end expensive bike and a low-end entry level bike, I would certainly pick the high-end bike. Who wouldn't? However, given the choice between riding a low-end bike and not riding at all, I would happily ride the low-end bike.
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Originally Posted by alexs


Thanks, I haven't seen anything that funny on BF in a week.
Glad I could bring some humor

Please, You think I was serious that I could kick Lance's ass? HA. MAYBE if he was riding my bike, and I was riding his... 44 pounds versus sub 20? I'd have him for a little while.... Maybe.

I don't race. I don't want biking to turn into a job. It's fun because I do it to get away from things. If it were my job, then what would I do to get away from my job?

I am in the "high snob potential" category with my bike. It's worth a good bit. Still, I only become bike snobish in the eyes of people (customers etc) who don't take my advice. I say what the minimum that is REQUIRED and they think I am benig snobby.

And yes, equipment matters a good deal. You'll never be as good on a Walmart bike as you will on an IF Ti bike. Just that simple Bike balance, handling, the whole attitude of the bike. Everyone who says "it's all the rider" needs to enter a downhill race on a full rigid. Then you'll begin to appreciate the benefits of equipment.
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