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Old 12-15-03, 10:33 AM
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Dude, I am sick today, so I won't be at school, did you build those jumps at your house? I still went riding anyway, on Sunday, but I am glad I got your messege, how did you know my name was user imprezaman? I never told you that, anyway. Anyway, the weather sucked, and that last hill before you get into Vader, was all mud agian, and I almost lost it! My eyes were full of water, my glasses were cover in water and mud, and my hands were numb. But I still rode, and I had the flu, now thats pretty unreal...actually I didn't know that I had the flu, but I think it was the last straw, and it weakened my immune system, cuase it hit me as soon as I got home, anyway, what assignment do we have in Mrs. Farrars class? Oh and your post, hardtails are out? I don't think so, I love mine, I agree I like the feel, I don't like softtails, cuase every time you pedal, the whole bike sinks down, and I could really care less about comfort, the only problem with the hardtail, is that its easier to slide the bike in the corner, well I gotta get off, I'll see you tommorow. (hopefully, stupid flu. lol.)
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Old 12-15-03, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by flbikerman
Hey Jim. I'm from a small town east of G'ville called Interlachen. Lived there 'til about 6 years ago. I use to make 8 or 10 trips back a year but have mellowed out to a couple times a year. Next time I'm down that way maybe we can hook up for a ride.

Werd homie.. let me know some time and we'll ride.
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Old 12-15-03, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by flbikerman
I've been thinking of going hardtail after only ever riding a full susp. bike. I've been really looking for a single speed. then maybe from that get a ht. I think if I would of started on a ht I would be a much better rider than I am now.
For sure.

On a HT, you can't just sit in your seat and let the suspension do the work as you would with a "pogo stick".

After I went from full-sus to hardtail I discovered something...I suck at log jumps!
 
Old 12-15-03, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
Hey Flbikerman,

I know that town. When I was at UF, I sold my Jeep to a guy from Interlachen.

Maybe you know the jeep. It was a 1980, all white, with tan interior and top, BIG Super Swamper 33" and big Iron Tube bumpers.

I loved that Jeep!

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When did you sell it? Do you remember to who?
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Old 12-15-03, 04:43 PM
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This was probably back in '88 or '89.

Don't remember the name of the guy who bought it, but he was also a student there!

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Old 12-15-03, 11:14 PM
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Never been passed by a FS goin up, that's for sure...then again never really been passed...it's HT for me and my girlie makes 3!
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Old 12-16-03, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
This was probably back in '88 or '89.

Don't remember the name of the guy who bought it, but he was also a student there!

L8R
Does Francis sound familiar? Or maybe William? I think both of them had white jeeps at one time.
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Old 12-16-03, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by winlockbikeboy
the q's ive heard lately on the subject of hard tail moutain bikes is, are they fading away? in my opinion yes but for trail riding (which is what i do most) hard tails are for the extreme mt. biker who wants the rush and excitement from flying up and down trails and feeling the ruts and roots that are to be found. soft tails for me dont give me a very good feeling of the terrian well i just wanted to hear what your'e opinions are tell me, fading away or still strong?
I'm surprised to hear hard tails being equated with extreme mt. biker. When I think of an extreme mt. biker, I imagine some freak taking 10ft plunges on some $5k dualie. You don't do that on a hard tail, well, not frequently anyways.

That said, I think hard tails are here to stay. They're lighter, simpler mechanically, more responsive and you get more bang for the buck component-wise. Additionally, riding hard tails, you're forced to learn some riding technique like how to handle technical junk. Some of that has been lost with people growing up on full suspension bikes, where you just point the bike and keep on pedaling. I don't have anything against suspension; everything has it's place. But for a do-it-all bike, it's hard to beat a good hard tail. Plus, us retro-grouches will be around for a long time, still reminiscing about the good old days of 7-speed rears, top of the bar thumb shifters, and.... we'll be buying hard tails.
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Old 12-16-03, 09:30 PM
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One good thing about the new suspension bikes, now you can buy a top end HT frame for $300-$400. That's a plus. I still want my dual squishy though.
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Old 12-16-03, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eric streeper
I'm surprised to hear hard tails being equated with extreme mt. biker. When I think of an extreme mt. biker, I imagine some freak taking 10ft plunges on some $5k dualie.


Ahhh.. the hardcore hardtail scene is getting big man. Russ Morrel (I think that's his name) recently hucked off something like a 40 foot cliff on a hardtail. Plus hardtails are the preference of dirtjumpers and urban assaulters. It's pretty versatile.
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Old 12-17-03, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by eric streeper
I'm surprised to hear hard tails being equated with extreme mt. biker. When I think of an extreme mt. biker, I imagine some freak taking 10ft plunges on some $5k dualie. You don't do that on a hard tail, well, not frequently anyways.
Someone better tell that to this guy here! https://www.snipesbicycles.com/pages/777982/index.htm

I'm not one to talk in jargon, or lingo, but that's "sick"!
 
Old 12-17-03, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim311
Ahhh.. the hardcore hardtail scene is getting big man. Russ Morrel (I think that's his name) recently hucked off something like a 40 foot cliff on a hardtail. Plus hardtails are the preference of dirtjumpers and urban assaulters. It's pretty versatile.
i think they got a video of that huck on pinkbike somewhere. it was a huck to tranny though so the landing wasn't so harsh. still, it was impressive.
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Old 12-17-03, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rasheed
i think they got a video of that huck on pinkbike somewhere. it was a huck to tranny though so the landing wasn't so harsh. still, it was impressive.

I searched pinkbikes news articles for the video clips, but I couldn't find them.
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Old 12-17-03, 11:42 AM
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34 ft on a HT...it was harsh. Clips of the whole day are on a vid called Statement. All the video and that clip proved to me was how stupid it is to do huge drops on a ht. That drop you guys are talking about was a nice one but he tried others and landed badly. His body is taking a beating. He might be able to take it but most riders couldn't take half of what he was throwing down (actually missing)...

https://www.pinkbike.com/modules/video/

Its in there Jim.
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Old 12-17-03, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
The story about Russ Morrell's 30 foot drop is in there. The link to the video is broken, though. Check out the 'Statement' video teaser - they show footage of the drop in there.
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Old 12-17-03, 12:00 PM
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I can see if you got money to drop and a very worn out body....

BUt not every biker has over a grand to drop on a bike.

As long as there are budget conscious people like me, a HT will be the first choice and do just fine.

I love my HT.
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Old 12-17-03, 06:15 PM
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Ahhh.. the hardcore hardtail scene is getting big man. Russ Morrel (I think that's his name) recently hucked off something like a 40 foot cliff on a hardtail.
Would that be Russ Morrel or the late Russ Morrel?
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Old 12-17-03, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
34 ft on a HT...it was harsh. Clips of the whole day are on a vid called Statement. All the video and that clip proved to me was how stupid it is to do huge drops on a ht. That drop you guys are talking about was a nice one but he tried others and landed badly. His body is taking a beating. He might be able to take it but most riders couldn't take half of what he was throwing down (actually missing)...

https://www.pinkbike.com/modules/video/

Its in there Jim.

The point was that dual suspension is not a necessity, but a luxury.





It's impressive either way, and that guy has got some serious skill.
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Originally Posted by Jim311
The point was that dual suspension is not a necessity, but a luxury.





It's impressive either way, and that guy has got some serious skill.
I got it.


My point was it isn't a luxury for everyone. Russ is a very unique individual. There aren't many riders who are capable of those drops with a ht. In fact if I were to hazard a guess I would say most of the top riders wouldnt even try.

I also agree about his skill. The man is a machine. I have a buddy with similar riding style on a ht. Huge drops on a .243...the guy is wicked to watch (he does a lot of 20 to 25 footers)...but even he is considering grabbing a dually as the mountain is taking its toll on him.
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Old 12-17-03, 06:49 PM
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My knees are messed up from riding hardtails for so long. I haven't exactly been easy on my body. The biggest issue for me is weight. I can't ride a 50 pound freeride bike because I only weigh 140 pounds!! Hard to flick around a bike that weighs 1/3 of your body weight, and I ride mostly urban freeride stuff anyway. I'm still deciding what I want to do. It's so much cheaper to pick up a Snipes, 243, or even an Imperial than a nice freeride frame, and it would weigh less too.
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Old 12-17-03, 07:23 PM
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A 243 built up for freeriding sits in the 35 pound range...and bighit comp with a sc fork sits around 38 or 39 pounds...not that big a difference

I wouldn't even want a 50 pounder...thats heavy ...except for Crashing_Sux..his bike rocks
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Old 12-17-03, 09:14 PM
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His bike is pretty cool... minus that goofy G-Boxx thang
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Me likey the G-boxx...big fan of internal gears...except the cost
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Old 12-17-03, 09:16 PM
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I know... I just like to give him a hard time
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I think instead of a 243 I'd probably choose something lighter.. maybe a Snipes Elemental since I'm a cheap bastard and spending 800 bucks on a hardtail frame to beat the piss out of seems like overkill.
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