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Old 12-13-03, 02:16 PM
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Hardtails Are They Out?

the q's ive heard lately on the subject of hard tail moutain bikes is, are they fading away? in my opinion yes but for trail riding (which is what i do most) hard tails are for the extreme mt. biker who wants the rush and excitement from flying up and down trails and feeling the ruts and roots that are to be found. soft tails for me dont give me a very good feeling of the terrian well i just wanted to hear what your'e opinions are tell me, fading away or still strong?
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Old 12-13-03, 02:46 PM
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Hardtails will forever be around. A quality hardtail is priceless.
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Old 12-13-03, 03:01 PM
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The hardtail will never die. There is strength in simplicity. In fact one might argue that it's stronger than ever. Who would have thought that kids would be bashing the hell out of them at skate parks, jibbing on the streets, dirtjumping them, hucking them off big stunts.... everything. They've gained new popularity if anything. It's just the magazines that are naysaying if you ask me.
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Old 12-13-03, 03:19 PM
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my thoughts exactly
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Old 12-13-03, 03:24 PM
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I love my '95 (or is it 94) GT Karakoram hardtail. upgraded all xt and ...well only the frame, bb, seatpost and headset are original. It's my street machine - fastest bike I've tried, that can still do massive jumps and drops. Other bike for serious damage is an Ironhorse SGS Expert.
If my GT ever dies, I will definetly get another hardtail.
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Old 12-13-03, 03:37 PM
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My first ever freeride bike was a P3 a couple years ago, and I just got my 2004 RM Flow a couple days ago.
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If I were to get back into serious cross country racing you would see me on nothing but hardtails. Have not met a full squishy that I can go faster on than my hard tail yet. I ride full sus for comfort and better downhill control but would race the HT.

But my Epic is on the way and it is supposed to be the best of both worlds.

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Old 12-13-03, 05:00 PM
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If I was serious about racing I would buy a light full suspension bike.They are faster they just don't feel like it.
I still like hardtails because they're so simple.I use my mountail bike for commuting to work,racing and even some 100k road rides Nov-Mar.
I have a twenty minute ride just to get to my trails.A full suspension bike just wouldn't make sense for me.I have a Judy fork but most of the year I ride with a rigid fork.My next bike would be a really nice hardtail like a Rocky Mountain scandium Vertex or a Trek 9.8.
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Limba, I don't know about others but at my local trail my 8.5 mile lap times are a good 2 minutes faster on my F1000 hardtail when I was riding it than on the Scalpel I ride now.

I don't get as beat up but it does slow me down a bit on the climbs where it counts the most.
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Old 12-13-03, 06:03 PM
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Most of the pros are still riding hardtails.
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Old 12-13-03, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim311
Most of the pros are still riding hardtails.

And for good reasons, power loss at the top level of competition can mean the difference between 1st and 2nd or even placing top 10.

Not to mention the fact that every moving part on a design is another possible component failure that can lose the race as well.
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Old 12-13-03, 07:30 PM
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Steel (mostly lugged), Hardtails and Campy Forever!!

I don't see them going away as long as more than 50% of the riders don't do any riding that gives a FS bike an advantage. Especially as a comparable FS is about twice the price of a HT and 20% heavier. Even when the tires are full of helium. However, am sure the companies that make them and the folks that sell them would very much like you to believe that HTs are on their way out. More complexity means more money and more work when they break or need new parts.

KISS -"keep it simple stupid" applies to most everything in life. MTBs included.
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Old 12-13-03, 07:33 PM
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SamDaBikinMan even the later laps are slower?You should be fresher on the Scapel.I guess it really depends on the course.I like hardtails,cross bikes and road bikes because they're simple.I just want to ride it,not spend all day tinkering with my setup.
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Old 12-13-03, 09:10 PM
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If anything there is a resurgance. I use and ride both. Both have a purpose and both will always be in my family of bikes. I see many more people here riding ht's than the previous year. With street (including park) and djing becoming more and more popular, ht's have a distinct place in that line up. I don't much like ht's for trailriding but thats because of back and knee pain.
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Old 12-14-03, 03:49 AM
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Agree with many of the people here. Popularity of HT's are rising again due to the growing market segment of dirtjumpers, hardtail freeriders, and urban/trial stunt riders.

The proof is in the pudding. Most of the big companies that started phasing out hardtails and have pushed full suspension have had no choice but to start making hardtails again to meet the demand of those growing segments, or else risk losing that marketshare.

Just look at Specialized. They have more variations on the P, and Hardrock than ever.

MTB is a slave to fashion as anything else. It's all about what's hot. A few years ago, the popularity of XC started to decline in favor of downhill, so all the bike companies started pushing big, burly full suspension frames.

Now, since a new freeride/stunt/dirtjump segment wants hardtails, the companies are all trying to corner that market with big tubed, hardtail bikes.
 
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HT's are the work of the devil

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Originally Posted by MikeOK
HT's are the work of the devil


Don't you mean EVIL (as in Imperial)?

Nah, it can't be the work of the devil since the old adage says, "An idle mind is the devil's workshop" and you gotta be on your toes to ride a hardtail!

You can sleep while riding a full suspension...
 
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Well...... I just picked up a nice Kona Ku hardtail frame on Ebay and in the process of building it up. And my choice for the front end? A brand new Kona Project 2 CroMo rigid fork. Rigid!! Yes, rigid! It'll serve my purpose well. Pure function of rugged simplicity.

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That's too hardcore for me. I might go without rear suspension but I have to at least have a suspension fork!
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I've been having a lot of fun riding my hardtail the last two days (full sus. is in the shop).

P.S. I spend way too much time at this forum...then again, at least it keeps me away from porn!
 
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I've been thinking of going hardtail after only ever riding a full susp. bike. I've been really looking for a single speed. then maybe from that get a ht. I think if I would of started on a ht I would be a much better rider than I am now.
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It will make you a better rider without a doubt.
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Hey Jim. I'm from a small town east of G'ville called Interlachen. Lived there 'til about 6 years ago. I use to make 8 or 10 trips back a year but have mellowed out to a couple times a year. Next time I'm down that way maybe we can hook up for a ride.
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Hey Flbikerman,

I know that town. When I was at UF, I sold my Jeep to a guy from Interlachen.

Maybe you know the jeep. It was a 1980, all white, with tan interior and top, BIG Super Swamper 33" and big Iron Tube bumpers.

I loved that Jeep!

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