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Old 11-19-08, 08:53 AM
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Who's on El Mariachi?

Road biking is getting monotonous and there are a few decent trails close by so I'm thinking about getting a mountain bike early next year. So far, Salsa's El Mariachi is topping the list of possible rides, partially due to cost. Another reason is that it'd be easily convertible to a pretty tough utility bike if/when I decide I like off-road enough to put together something nicer.

Anyone here have much experience with these? What did you think? The reviews I've read have mostly been good and I like the specs list. It doesn't seem like Salsa cheeped out on this bike, but I'd like to hear your opinions.
 
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You're not going to come across alot of people here who has a Salsa El Mariachi. It is a sound frame, that uses a really good steel tubing and a really good parts spec on it.
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My buddy has an El Mariachi (that he is selling). I've ridden it a bit and it's a pretty sweet bike. And he's even upgraded a few parts on it (bar, juicy 7s, etc.)

http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/375440/
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My buddy has an El Mariachi (that he is selling). I've ridden it a bit and it's a pretty sweet bike. And he's even upgraded a few parts on it (bar, juicy 7s, etc.)

http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/375440/
Did you take it off any sweet jumps?
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el mariachi - - that must be Spanish for "Give me a whole wad of money and I'll give you a bike with no suspension"?
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^it comes with gears. You must be comfusing it with another bike.

Your derisive attitude at any bike with less than 6'' front and rear travel is noted though
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^it comes with gears. You must be confusing it with another bike.

Your derisive attitude at any bike with less than 6'' front and rear travel is noted though
You are right; I stand corrected and have made ammends.

My derisiveness is reserved for 20-year-old frames sporting 21st-century price tags.
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66 View Post
Did you take it off any sweet jumps?
I got like 3 feet of air.
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You are right; I stand corrected and have made ammends.

My derisiveness is reserved for 20-year-old frames sporting 21st-century price tags.
unless its 4130, steel is really expensive nowadays

the only thing to compare it too price wise would be custom builders for the most part, or a few production frames left like gunnar, rocky mountain, jamis, etc..
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I didn't know you could ge 29ers with disc brakes and clearance for 2.3"+ tires 20 years ago. I guess you learn something new every day.
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Did you take it off any sweet jumps?
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I didn't know you could ge 29ers with disc brakes and clearance for 2.3"+ tires 20 years ago.
Yeah, that's gotta be worth an extra $250 right there
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Yeah, that's gotta be worth an extra $250 right there
You don't have to buy it. And I happen to think having a disc-capable frame is worth at least 200 dollars over one that does not. In addition to suspension corrected geometry, etc, etc.

But like CLaw I think the contempt you show for a bike simply because it doesn't suit your preferences is rather strange.

People spend 500 dollars on brakes. Less than 2000 dollars for a quality frame with a good component spec from a cool company can be quite a deal, depending on your priorities.

I don't criticize you for riding a 7 inch travel bike for cross country. I understand that you enjoy the challenge of climbing with it, and that your priority is the descent. But why can't you acknowledge that someone would enjoy the challenge of descending on a bike that soaks up less of the trail? There are people who do Porcupine ridge on rigid singlespeeds. Of course they'd be faster on different bikes, but that's not what they enjoy.

The awesome thing about bikes these days is the astounding variety, and it's pretty easy to find one that suits your style.
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Theres no way that those should be 2000 bucks for a rigid. I think someone decided to capatalize on steel and double the price it should have been. Reviews also say that the paint is cheap. Sounds like a redline monocog with gears for 4 times the price.
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He's not criticizing people who choose to ride them, only that prices are high for a bike with less 'technology' than a hardatil with gears and suspension.

They should be cheap, there's not much to them.
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What kind of skills?
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He's not criticizing people who choose to ride them, only that prices are high for a bike with less 'technology' than a hardatil with gears and suspension.

They should be cheap, there's not much to them.
It has gears.

You're right, you could get a bike with a "full" drivetrain, cheaper frame, and decent suspension fork for less. Maybe with X.7 or X.5, depending on brand.

You could get a Redline d460 with a similar setup for about a grand. It has lower quality brakes, shifter, derailleur, cranks, wheels, and arguably frame, but is still a good bike. You could drop even further in price and get a 440, with so-so parts, a heavier frame, etc.

I don't uderstand how it's better to get a bike with "more technology" for a given price, rather than a bike with fewer bells and whistles, but what parts it has are of higher quality. For example the salsa house brand parts are quite good and many people add them aftermarket. People pay 2 grand for a customsteel frame alone. The El Mariachi isn't custom, but it is a high-end frame. You guys do understand there is a diference between 853 and straight-guage chromoly, right?

I ride an aluminum hardtail with a Reba, for what it's worth.
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You could get three Marin Muirwoods 29ers for that price. Lesser frame, lower end components, weighs more, etc. But if you're just trying out off roading to see if you like it....
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bowstaff skills,nunchuck skills.....you know
Maybe you could draw a picture of her.
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Maybe you could draw a picture of her.
I cant right now.I have to go find my chapstick.
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Maybe Tina ate it.
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