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Old 11-21-08, 12:29 PM
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Bike for friend with lots of money

Against my better judgement, I'm starting a thread.

My buddy is 6'4", 210 #, and currently rides a 2004 Superlight with XT and XTR. The frame/fork are beat, and he's moving towards more AM/FR riding, so he wants a replacement. He's not a shuttler [not that there's anything wrong with that], so the new bike has to climb well. Our trails are not buff - there is crap everywhere. He rides our local stuff, plus Fernie, Kicking Horse, Panorama and the occasional trip to Whistler. 6" front/rear travel should work. He is looking to improve his ability to do drops/jumps and built stunts [ladders, skinnies, etc.]. On his behalf, I'd like to explore some options for him, since he's mostly a roadie and doesn't know as much about the tech on the dirt side. He does want something somewhat unique, and is trying to stay away from the big brands [i.e. Trek, Spec., Giant, etc.].

He is currently looking at two frames in particular: Santa Cruz Nomad and Knolly Delerium. What else should he be looking at? Anything to avoid?
He's set on the Lyrik for a fork. Looking at the reviews, it's pretty solid. Would something like a Fox Van be a worthy alternative?
The brakes will probably be Hope Mono.
Wheels - Easton Havoc AM [I think he should go for a custom build]
What else, what else, what else...
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Banshee, Rune?
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Old 11-21-08, 12:51 PM
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I've heard great stuff about the nomad.
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Money not being an object...

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rigid singlespeed 29er.

edit: with H-bars, one-one midge bars, or dirt drops.
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Old 11-21-08, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rydaddy View Post
Money not being an object...

Not quite enough travel, and it's more on the XC/AM side anyway.
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^ Yeah... I was thinking more about the uphill side of the equation. Spec. Enduro?
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Originally Posted by born2bahick View Post
Banshee, Rune?
The Rune does look interesting. It's about the same price as the Nomad with the DHX air. I'll run it by him. Any ride impressions anyone would care to share?
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^ Yeah... I was thinking more about the uphill side of the equation. Spec. Enduro?
Yeah, I hear you on that. The Enduro isn't reallly turning his crank, neither is the SX Trail.
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GT Sanction. The 1.0 comes with a TALAS, but it is available as a frameset. The 08 had a Lyrik, but I doubt you'll be able to find one, and the 09 is slightly slacker anyways, which he may appreciate at the resorts.

I'm a bit biased because I can get it on prodeal, but it's a solid bike. I demoed one for a day and it was certainly much more capable than the silly 4 foot drops I was doing on it.

It does climb...like a 6 inch travel bike. The slackness doesn't help on the ultra-steeps, but with tavel adjust it does alright, and there isn't much bob from the suspension, though I still made use of the propedal, especially on fireroads.

It's a bike that wants to get in the air, I guess do to a relatively short wheelbase, though my experience with longer travel rigs is limited. It's at least worth a look, I think.

I'm pretty sure the Banshee rune would fit the niche similarly, though a bit more expensive (possibly higher quality frame?).

I'd be wary of an enduro, I've heard of a fair share of breakages, but then again there are a lot of 'em out there, so maybe they're no worse than anything else.
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Originally Posted by M_S View Post
GT Sanction. The 1.0 comes with a TALAS, but it is available as a frameset. The 08 had a Lyrik, but I doubt you'll be able to find one, and the 09 is slightly slacker anyways, which he may appreciate at the resorts.

I'm a bit biased because I can get it on prodeal, but it's a solid bike. I demoed one for a day and it was certainly much more capable than the silly 4 foot drops I was doing on it.

It does climb...like a 6 inch travel bike. The slackness doesn't help on the ultra-steeps, but with tavel adjust it does alright, and there isn't much bob from the suspension, though I still made use of the propedal, especially on fireroads.

It's a bike that wants to get in the air, I guess do to a relatively short wheelbase, though my experience with longer travel rigs is limited. It's at least worth a look, I think.

I'm pretty sure the Banshee rune would fit the niche similarly, though a bit more expensive (possibly higher quality frame?).

I'd be wary of an enduro, I've heard of a fair share of breakages, but then again there are a lot of 'em out there, so maybe they're no worse than anything else.
GT? That would be a tough sell, but I'll definitely let him know. I can't even think of a local GT dealer...
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Originally Posted by pinkrobe View Post
The Rune does look interesting. It's about the same price as the Nomad with the DHX air. I'll run it by him. Any ride impressions anyone would care to share?
If I didn't already have the SX Trail, I would be on the Rune. The Rune descends as well as the SXT but climbs better. Geometry is responsive. Tubeset and build quality is upper echelon. Definitely worthy of consideration in this class.
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How about '66's used Bullit? I think it's 7" rear travel though.
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I hear Target has entered the high end bike market.
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My buddy's Rune in DH trim:

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Cannondale Moto 2!
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Originally Posted by pinkrobe View Post
The Enduro isn't reallly turning his crank

Money not being an object i see the Enduro SL carbon as a bike which can do everything except bear you children.

Light enough for XC but setup well enough for a little DH.
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Originally Posted by pinkrobe View Post
GT? That would be a tough sell.
Working in a shop that sells them...trust me, it is

But I haven't read a bad review of the sanction, so I feel good reccomending it. The Force, which is the more trail oriented AM rig they're putting out, has a little more of an identity crisis. The HT angle is just a bit too steep with a 140mm fork, so it feels like a long travel XC bike. I've heard it does well with a longer fork, but then it's really similar to the sanction. And if the dude's going to resorts like Fernie, or especially whistler, he'll want burly.

Looked into Ventana? The terremoto 6.0 seems pretty sweet.
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Get an Ellsworth case closed
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^seconded, good bikes.

Your friend should check out MTBR they have a very large variety of reviews on specific bikes.
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Get an Ellsworth case closed
Why? What sets Ellsworth apart from the rest?
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Why? What sets Ellsworth apart from the rest?
The company is named after a lying bag of feces apparently.
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I was going to mention a certain member who shall not be named, but figured I would just ask why some people feel Ellsworths are so great.
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I've been riding a Nomad for a couple of years and love it, although in my area Santa Cruz bikes aren't exactly unique. I'd particularly like to try the latest revision of the Nomad, as it sounds even sweeter. I know you said no big boys but the new Trek Remedy is pretty sweet, too.
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If not a Cannondale Moto, maybe an Intense 6.6, and if neither of those suit his needs then a Specialized S-Works Enduro (no link cause their servers are down right now but you get the picture). Any of those bikes would let him get up the hill and back down again in style.
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