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Old 02-18-09, 01:04 PM
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Another new guy needing advice from the wheel guys

Guys,

I seem to find myself in need of a new set of wheels. I had been looking at road bikes last winter and realized I don't have the bank roll to justify a decent road bike. What I've decided on, is getting me another set of wheels so I can have a nice set of slicks on my current wheels and upgrade my off road wheels.

I've got an '03 Kona Nunu with mechanical disc brakes that I've been quite happy with.

I'm looking at 3 wheels right now.

1) Mavic 717 rim - XT hub wheels from bicycle wheel warehouse
2) Mavic Crossride from LBS
3) Mavic Crosstrail from LBS

I don't pound my bike too hard. But, I do ride semi agressively on some rocky - fast - mountianous trails.

*Are #'s 1 and 2 about the same as far as quality and what I would feel from the saddle?
*Would it be worth spending another $150-$200 more on the crosstrails over the crossrides?
*Also, would it be worth my while to go XT level on the casette over the LX level?

I'm looking for any advice I can get on this topic. If any of you have any other suggestions feel free to add them in.

Thanks

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Old 02-18-09, 04:06 PM
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Get a nicer pair of wheels than what you have right now and use your current ones as road slicks.
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Old 02-18-09, 04:12 PM
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Personally I don't like the Mavic system wheels (although I do like and use Mavic rims on many of my wheels), nor their hubs much; I prefer standard components that are easily sourced, so I'd go for number 1. I don't think you could tell the difference between the wheels while riding in any case.
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+1 to what BIKINFOOL said. LX hubs are mechanically very similar to XT at quite a savings. I've used them in my builds with XC717s & XM719s. No complaints. Standard components give you more flexibility as to component choices.
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Old 02-18-09, 04:35 PM
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Can I piggyback on this thread rather than starting a new one?

I'm trying to decide between the Mavic 117 w/ LX hubs and Rhyno Lite's with XT hubs. Both non-disc. The rhyno's w/ xt are just like $15 more.

I'd go with the rhyno lites because they have a reputation for reliability but there's about a 160g difference (according to bicycle wheel warehouse) each wheel between them- that is the 117 wheels are 160g lighter, front and back.

I haven't found many opinions on the 117s. It seems a few years ago 117s were quite different, now I've seen a number of people saying 117s now are cheap oem rims that aren't very strong, but considering they are oem rims, I'd expect to see a lot more people complaining about them out there.

Any recommendations?
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yeah i'd go xt 717, if you bend a rim you can replace just the rim, mavic wheels0 are like 24 hole so no luck there

hubs are a problem imo, if you have 6 bolt rotors then you can't get the newer xt 775 hub (centerlock), just the 756, which is like 90g heavier for the rear alone and is cromo axles instead of the oversized aluminium of the 775, when i checked the book 756 was like 6g lighter then the 525 hub. Personally i thing all of the centerlock rotors short of the xtr rotors are ugly, so when i'd prolly end up spending way to much on rotors, (also personally I have a spare set of rotors anyway so its extra annoying) As far as I can tell if you wanna go 6 bolt your hub options go xt 756, then basically hope for over 200 for the rear alone. I would love for someone to come along and say nope here is another hub option that's in between the 2 (gotta be out there somewhere i just havn't found it yet, at least not a brand i trust that is, "cycle king" hubs on ebay don't count lol)
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Old 02-18-09, 07:26 PM
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So, if i'm understanding right.... You would go with the first wheel choice just because I can replace the rim if I bend it? Mind you I can get the cross trail for $60 less than the XT - 717 combo.

And there is no benifit of the crosstrail vs the crossride?
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Old 02-18-09, 08:30 PM
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well the crosstrail is just strait up better than the crossride, its lighter, stronger, welded (stronger), ust compatable, and according to mavic better aluminium.

and actually i wouldn't get the 717, i'd go with a 819 which is stronger tubless compatable and only weights 50g grams more per rim, but wait is it really that much heavier? its ust tubless compatable and b/c of the fore drilling the 819 doesn't need rimtape, velox is 25g per roll, so now we are at +50g for the entire set for what imo is a better rim

for xc riding the crosstrail would be fine, it just seems to me that for mtnbiking 32 spoke is the way to go, and the people i ride/talk with are the same way, idk maybe i've just been indoctrinated

anyway as for the 117 idk what it used to be like but now its an non-welded (pinned) rim that is not eyeletted, my friends f3 came with 117s, rear is dented, i think it got like dented when he got a pinchflat on a log or somthin stupid, it didn't turn up after an epic ride or anything so... (oh also that was the 117 disc fyi) oh and idk the rhino lites weight but i doubt its 150g heavier than the 117, maybe some of that weight is in the spokes is the lx/117 butted spokes or somthin?
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anyway as for the 117 idk what it used to be like but now its an non-welded (pinned) rim that is not eyeletted, my friends f3 came with 117s, rear is dented, i think it got like dented when he got a pinchflat on a log or somthin stupid, it didn't turn up after an epic ride or anything so... (oh also that was the 117 disc fyi) oh and idk the rhino lites weight but i doubt its 150g heavier than the 117, maybe some of that weight is in the spokes is the lx/117 butted spokes or somthin?
The weights they have published say 150g lighter. The actual rim (117) is a little less than that, like 125g lighter or something, and then lx hubs are a tiny bit lighter than the xts I think. Same spokes so maybe it's not as shallow and the spokes are longer on the rhynos too?

If the 117 aren't eyeletted I guess I'll go for the rhyno lites.
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Old 02-19-09, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by harleystyles View Post
So, if i'm understanding right.... You would go with the first wheel choice just because I can replace the rim if I bend it? Mind you I can get the cross trail for $60 less than the XT - 717 combo.

And there is no benifit of the crosstrail vs the crossride?
Not just the rim, but the spokes and the hub as well (and a large choice within those components...not something you can do with the Mavic system wheels).
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Lets not forget we are talking about tenths of a pound here. I always have to chuckle when I see people quibbling over 100-200 grams.

If I were the OP I would keep looking around. There are lots of good deals to be had out there on wheelsets. The XT 717s do sound decent but if you shop around a bit you can find comparable wheelsets for at least a hundred dollars less.
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very true a few grams are not a big deal at hall however 100g is actually about 1/4lb, so 150 per wheel is 300g or almost 3/4 of a pound, Maybe that matters to you maybe it doesn't, but either way that the difference, for the op thats not as big of a deal, as those wheels had smaller weight diffs (although the xt/717 is prolly like 200+g heavier than the crosstrail? idk don't have the weights in front of me)

I will say that it does add up, for example xt 6 bolt vs xt centerlock (756 vs 775) 80g for each hub if i remember correctly, now lets say the xt717vs somthin a tad heavier 117 for the sake of arguments, thats 50g per wheel, now we are at 260g diff in the wheelsets, lets add butted vs nonbutted spokes thats about another 60g diff, so 320 now (or 3/4lb) but thats just the wheels, xc vs all mountain tires this post vs that post ect ect ect, all of the sudden a few grams hear or a few grams there was 2-3lbs

My bike is currently 30lbs I just wanna say i'm not countin every gram, i'm just a gear geek lol
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Weight in a hub isn't very important; if you're going to count grams count them in rotational weight. Weight at this level of wheel is not a big deal in any case. You're not going to get the newest XT hubs at nearly the same price as an older 756 in any case; getting stuck with centerlock discs isn't a great idea either.
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I have a pair of 8year old Mavic crossrides and I can recommend them- I also have 3 sets of XT hubs on various Mavic rims- going right back to the 217's and I can recommend them.

Only problem I had with the Crossrides was a rusted up freehub after a wet ride and they sat in the shed for 6 months till I got it rebuilt. Only Problem I have with the XT hubs is the freewheel needs replacing after a wet ride when it gets left for 6 months and gets rusted up.

Both good wheels so take your choice.
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Well, I went with the Mavic 717 "customs" with XT hubs.

Can you guys point me in the direction of a good casette and rotors?
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Originally Posted by harleystyles View Post
Well, I went with the Mavic 717 "customs" with XT hubs.

Can you guys point me in the direction of a good casette and rotors?
You running 8 or 9 speed? Why change rotors? Going bigger? What's your budget?
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9 speed. I am not replacing my origional set just adding a set so I can have a set for slicks and a set for off road. This set I just bought is going to be the off road set.

For a casette, under $100 would be great. I'm ok with Shimono or Sram. I'm not familiar with the Sram stuff however.

I can't hardly imagine over $20 for each rotor.
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Changing back and forth between cassettes of different wear can have challenges, but if done regularly and somewhat equally, might work out okay. Different hubs and rotors might have other issues as far as position, so YMMV. I'd stay to same size cassettes for minimal adjustment differences, but which ones really are brand/model and budget dependent for the most part. I prefer Shimano XT level cassettes myself. I use Avid Clean Sweep rotors, but you might have to shop around to get them for under $20 (but you might check out Alligator rotors).

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