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Old 03-17-09, 08:54 AM
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non-compact mountain bikes?

Is there such a thing anymore? I look at the older MTB's of the 80's and early-to-mid-90's, and not a single one had compact geometry. So, does anyone know of a new, rigid, non-compact mountain bike?
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Old 03-17-09, 09:13 AM
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Not sure what you mean by compact geometry. Frames have somewhat evolved, but my late 80s and early and mid 90s frames aren't/weren't all that different from today's...
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Old 03-17-09, 09:24 AM
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You mean non sloping top tube, right?
Discussed recently here... https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ghlight=slopey
No new mountain bikes were mentioned.
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Yeah, exactly. For instance - my ideal mountain bike would be something like this MB-1:




as opposed to this:




I'd love a new mountain bike as a commuter and weekend toy, but I just can't stand the idea of a sloping top tube. Or, I should say, something that is as excessive as most new ones. The Rivendell Bombadil is something that I'd love to have, but at $3000+ for a new bike, it's going to have to wait for a while...
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Why not just find an older frame/bike and upgrade the parts?
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Old 03-17-09, 10:30 AM
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Hmm...guess I don't speak roadie too well. Maybe some have changed, my old American isn't sloped on the top tube but my old Trek is and so is the Moots. The actual geometry isn't all that different, tho...

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Well, that was plan #2 - I was just curious to see if something like that was still made. My problem is that, unless I want to ship, it's tough to find non-box store mountain bikes around here.
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I'm a little confused...why wouldn't you want a sloping top tube? The geometry can be the same, and it offers the benefit of extra standover for a greater amount of travel. But if you're really set on a non-sloped top tube and you have the money to consider custom, I'm sure someone like Seven or Serotta can build a bike like you describe.
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Ah yes, aesthetics. IIRC, the reason that mtn bikes originally came with horizontal top tubes is that they used touring bike jigs for the frame builds. Sloped top tubes started to come on the market by the late 80's. My 1987 Tech Crossroads had a sloping top tube.
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Originally Posted by Zephyr11 View Post
I'm a little confused...why wouldn't you want a sloping top tube?
Style, Baby, style.
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Why can't you stand the idea of a sloping top tube?
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I'm just not a fan of sloping top tubes - don't like them at all. a mild slope (<2*) is one thing, but when you get a top tube that is more or less in line with the seat stays, it's fugly as heck to me.
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Let me guess...this goes back to the "sloping top tubes are for women's bikes" thing. What kind of man rides a woman's bike?


Look at that girly man on his woman's bike!

And bikes where the top tube and seat stays line up? Bah...they look like something my grandmother would ride.

Doesn't that look like your grandma's bike?

Seriously though, you should get a bike that isn't completely repulsive to you. But sloped top tubes exist for a reason, and you'll likely have to go custom to find one without.

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I'm just not a fan of sloping top tubes - don't like them at all. a mild slope (<2*) is one thing, but when you get a top tube that is more or less in line with the seat stays, it's fugly as heck to me.
How about a cross bike? Likely less slope in the top tube.
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Old 03-17-09, 11:23 AM
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Zephyr, to answer your first question, I have a Mixte, and love it. I'm just a fan of straight tubes on my more "hardcore" bikes - the ones that I don't mind bashing against rucks, carrying a bunch of weight, etc.

Junkyard - a cross bike is probably where it's at - though I had hoped to go with 26X 1.95 tires at least.

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So basically there is no performance oriented reason why horizontal top tubes are better. In fact there are some reasons why they are worse then a sloping top tube but you don't care because they look "fugly". Well that works for me.
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Well, honestly, having ridden both, I can't tell much of a difference in performance between either. And as far as standover height, I can't remember the last time I've crunched my nuts on any type of bike, so that's not a really big problem for me.

Honestly, when it comes down to it, yeah, it's just because they look "fugly." If they were markedly better for some reason or another, I could see it, but personally, naah.
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Even though it's not a requirement or feature of the design, I see more XC oriented frames with more horizontal top tubes, and the more compact geometries tend to be jumping/DH rigs. You can still certainly get frames with horizontal top tubes, but if you are a fairly short rider this may not be a comfortable geometry.

I've got a Raleigh from 06' (a cheap one) with a horizontal top tube and a Giant XTC Team frame from 07' with one waiting to be built up. Both are 19" frames, I suspect if you drop to 15" or less, a horizontal top tube won't be an option if you use 26" wheels.


While they may be able to do very similar things, I think the more compact frame would have better handling. It has a slightly lower center of gravity and a lower (potentially) seat, which could be of real use in jumping (think BMX), and the 'inward' style may get the wheels a little closer together, which would give better cornering. Of course, with a long enough seat tube, you could get basically the same performance as an XC rider.
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