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Old 04-11-09, 01:48 PM
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Need Yall's Opinion on something...

Well, Now that I'm over here in Germany, the riding opertunities are endless, I just don't have my Trek 3900 yet, as we don't have a house or our house hold goods... but that is another topic altogether.

I am right now lined up for a job as a Life Guard, So I will finally have some money (haha.)
I have almost $400 laying around right now, just burning a hole in my pocket.

Now here my Question:
I have scoped out a frame that I like, (Thanks Chelboed lol) Kinesis MaxLight Pha5e
quick article on it:
http://www.bikemagic.com/news/article/mps/UAN/4553/
http://www.kinesisbikes.co.uk/product.php?id=2

Problems is, its just that, a frame. Now living in Europe it shouldn't be to hard to get my hands on this frame, It's just that the price is in Euros... and the exchange rate... isn't all that good.

Now, What I wanted to do was get the frame and build it up decently.
I was thinking I could use the drivetrain from the 3900 (LX) and the wheelset I have currently suites me for now, along with the BB7 disk and all that. Sadly, My Thomson Seatpost can't come along, as it's not a 27.2.... I'd have to get a new fork, a rear BB7 and a few other small things, shouldn't set me back TOO much. For the fork, the manitou I currently have is working like a champ after I "fixed" it (for those who remember that...) Providing the steer tube is long enough I could use it temporairy, until I get the cash to go big and get a through axel and new wheels and all that.

So... Should I aim for that, or go for a Pre-Built bike, (If I can find a Pha5e built up and it fits me, I'll take it).
They have a Kona dealer here on the base, I'm not very educated on Konas and don't know much about their product lines, but this is what I'm limited to:
Ordering Pha5e frame, building it up
or Buying a Kona from the base dealer
Finding a Pre-Built Pha5e

or am I over shooting everything, The Base BX Sells Treks, Saw a 6 series on the rack, the problem is, they are not built by a certified mechanic.... The BX basically department store-ized a 6 series trek, and trek fuels... The price tag advertises disk brakes, and it's got V's, the tires are all under-deflated, and it just doesn't feel ready to ride off the shelf, I feel like I'd have to rebuild the whole thing..


IDK... Give me some guidence, because no matter what I do, my parents think I'm crazy for wanting to do away with the 3900, it's limiting my riding possibilities..
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I forgot to add that 399 Euros (Base line price for the frame, I saw it on a website for 329 E's) is about 562 dollars with todays exchange rate..
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Originally Posted by -_RebelRidin'_- View Post
Well, Now that I'm over here in Germany, the riding opertunities are endless...
or Buying a Kona from the base dealer...
buy local, on base, try the net for listings for good used equipment

search term - gebrauchte Fahräder - brings up this and plenty more
http://www.flohmarkt.at/fahrrad/
listed yesterday - a Fuel EX8 - no price shown, but shows a seller 6'1" (185cm) in Kufstein
http://www.flohmarkt.at/php/detail/1329950
good condition (guten Zustand)
you can make out the parts list plenty easy
might be worth the trip down to Kufstein for a great weekend... great town, eastern gateway to the Karwendel and western gateway to the Kaiser Gebirge and other real MTN areas...

prolly plenty of good stuff waitin out there...

where are you based?
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the big question here is do you like the geometry on your trek or are you looking for a slacker geometry?
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I don't like the geo on the trek... feels to much like a commuter style, cruise around town.
The Hardrock geo feels a little better when I rode one.

So to answer, Yes, I guess I like the Slacker geo's.

I'm based out of Kaiserslaughtern area.

Lol, I have no clue where any of those towns are, and would perfer to not buy used.
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Go shop around, learn a little German, be willing to buy used. You'll get a much nicer bike for a limited budget going used vs. a low budget new bike. As mentioned, check around on base and with other Amis around to see what is kicking around for bikes.

AFAIK, Germany has road maps...

Also: it's more properly spelled "ya'll" in my experience, since it is a contraction.

All the German bike shops I ever went into were also very cool shops.
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I'm well aware that Germany has road maps... But they are rather hard to read, and the signs are, well lets just say not like America.

I'd perfer to not buy from a German store with the exchange rate so low, A 30 dollar chain will cost me 50 bucks over here.
So far I haven't found any German Bike stores around, They like to put stores inside of stores here... Apparently the Toy R' Us has a sports store, and a few other odds and ends in it.

Also, The way I spell Y'all is irrelevant to the question, but since you would like to point it out, I put the apostrophe after the Y and in front of the "all" part because I was always taught the apostrophe goes where the missing letter(s) are. Since Y'all is a contraction of You and All, and the "ou" are missing, by my English teacher and book, it is more correct to put it were it is.
But since the word is also slang, It doesn't matter now does it? Also, By putting it Y'all It puts an emphasis on the "Yuh" sound of the Y, and brings in the drawn out "all" part after.

Back to the origional question, Should I shoot to build my own, or go with the limitations I have, which puts me at a small Kona dealer.
I know there're (is the apostrophe in the right spot?) pros and cons to both, but if you were in my situation what would you do?

Also, I am not a fan of used, because you do not know the history of the bike, what it has gone through, the abuse, and maintaince level.

I, for one, Would not buy my 3900 from myself if I were to sell it... It has been brutally abused beyound its reg.

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if i were you....based on your mechanical skills....buy complete
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Originally Posted by -_RebelRidin'_- View Post
I know they're (is the apostrophe in the right spot?) pros and cons to both, but if you were in my situation what would you do?
yes the apostrophe is in the right spot...but you used the wrong word.
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Have you looked at the various bikes at the Kona dealer? What's their servicing like (workshop)?

Buying a whole bike is always cheaper in the end. You can also start riding straight away instead of messing about with missing parts and tools.
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Originally Posted by lofnsjoke View Post
yes the apostrophe is in the right spot...but you used the wrong word.
+1

Back to topic......get friendly with the Kona people.
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Originally Posted by lofnsjoke View Post
yes the apostrophe is in the right spot...but you used the wrong word.
roflmao.
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............Yall's.............they're..................

..............now I have a clue why your havin trouble with the German stuff.

Sorry, I couldnt resist, Cheeto. It's all good..................
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Originally Posted by -_RebelRidin'_- View Post
Also, The way I spell Y'all is irrelevant to the question, but since you would like to point it out, I put the apostrophe after the Y and in front of the "all" part because I was always taught the apostrophe goes where the missing letter(s) are. Since Y'all is a contraction of You and All, and the "ou" are missing, by my English teacher and book, it is more correct to put it were it is.
But since the word is also slang, It doesn't matter now does it? Also, By putting it Y'all It puts an emphasis on the "Yuh" sound of the Y, and brings in the drawn out "all" part after.

Of course it's irrelevant. It's just fun and entertaining.

You are correct. It would be proper to put the apostrophe between the y and the a, as you suggest here. Which you didn't do in your thread title. Hee!
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Y'all really shouldn't write like you talk anyway. Heck if I did that it would all come out looking like "hmmph . . . gnar . . . uhh . . . umm . . . yo, grzzzzl . . . ."
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Excuse my gramtical errors, It is usualy around 10:00 to 10:30 at night when I post these, after being up all day.

I honestly have no clue how that Kona shop is, It's in the corner of a Music and video store... I didn't even see anyone behind the counter when I went in.
Yes the thread titile is wrong -_- It should be after the s to show owner ship..


I'm going to build a bike, just to prove I can do so. -_-

I was asking about more intricate mechanical stuff, like the inards of forks and such, that's where I draw the line.

Oh, and FYI, I, right around the time I started to pack things up and move, Striped my 3900 down to the frame, cleaned and checked everything, and rebuilt it, and it works. Providing I don't have to assemble a fork or build my own bearings -_- I think I could handle the build...


I'll swing by the Kona Dealer some time and do some more looking around to see how prefessional they actually are. If they bikes are like they are in the BX, I'm walking away.

On that note, what are some decent 600-800 dollar ranged Kona Hard Tails I should look at? I was looking into the more All Mountain type, "Jack of all trades, Master of none" kind of frame. Hence the Pha5e

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Five-O, Shred, Hoss maybe...

I really like the Cowan hard tail but it looks really expensive. There's one in my LBS and it looks way better still in real life than the pic in their website.
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I went to the UK Kona website, they don't list prices lol.
I looked at the Five-O, I'd have to shoot for the Delux version, cause its speced out better. But not having prices scares me lol.
The shred is out, looks to be to dirt jumper specific.

Although the Hoss is "clydesdale" I like the way it is contructed, seems to be very sturdy, like the Pha5e.

How is Kona as a company, are they well built, good Customer Service, that sort of stuff?
Cause If I were to buy from a LBS, I'd have to shoot for them, as they'll take American dollar, and I won't loose my butt to the 1 dollar-.70 Euros exchange

All this being said, I guess I'll have to go see what they have in stock, and what they can order and see if I actually like it.

-I still want to find a Built up Pha5e so I can ride it



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Five-O lists in the States for $1,199; Dlx for $1,599. Shop I ride for had the Five-O for about $900 I think. It's a really nice-riding bike. A touch steeper HA than I'd like but overall a good-feeling bike. Standard model is spec'd just fine.
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ok here are a couple of the frames i was considering before i decided on the transam. all of which are from UK manufactures.

on-one 456
on-one 456 summer session
DMR trailstar
DMR Exalt
dialled alpine
dialled prince albert

all of which are cro-mo frames by the way.
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Five-O lists in the States for $1,199; Dlx for $1,599. Shop I ride for had the Five-O for about $900 I think. It's a really nice-riding bike. A touch steeper HA than I'd like but overall a good-feeling bike. Standard model is spec'd just fine.
eh, I wont have that kind of good pricing over here... Since it's over here and on base, the price will most likely be higher.

I will however drive down to the LBS this weekend (hopefully) and check.

-we got "kicked" out of the hotels on base, they moved us to a 1 bedroom German hotel...
we have 4 people and a 90 lb German Shepard..
so this is what I'm dealing with right now lol...

good news is im Lifeguard certified now, so I got a job lined up, (HOPEFULLY) so I will be able to fully fund this bike or project.
Just got to find exactly whatI want.

Need a frame that:
Can be used for mild downhill
Mild jumps and drops
Cross Country riding
can ride UP hill, as well as down
want the "jack of all, master of none" like said before.
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Found a website that ships APO, and I can get a 10% discount at..
Was just messin around and built this up: Now... I dont have the cash, was just having fun, what do Y'all think?


PRICE:

$2,518.74
FRAME:
Santa Cruz Chameleon with selected components from SRAM X-9 package White Large
Front Suspension Fork:
Fox 32 Float RLC Fork
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Avid Elixir R Disc Brakeset 160mm Rear Rotor 185mm Front Rotor
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overpriced

check this one out instead
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Never heard of em LOL

Not bad, $1,425 in american.
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^^ Well-known UK brand. Steve Peat used to race for them before switching to Santa Cruz.
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