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Raiyn 07-22-04 11:53 PM

You'll love that bike man. Let us know when you want to start upgrading / personalizing as that's part of the fun.

RiDE 07-23-04 12:56 AM

Oh he went for it! Nice bike! :D

Damn I wish in the market for a bike too so I could set up a poll like this. :( :p

GreenFix 07-23-04 07:14 AM

Nice choice. It is always nice to see how these threads turn out.

I have been doing my bike shop drive bys for a while now, and that is the bike that keeps cathcing my eye. Great price, nice parts, looks great.

I have one questsion for those of you who have more experience than me with suspension, what is the story behind the suspension parts on this frame? Now I am riding an older steel frame with a Judy XC, so my standards are not high. I was just curious.

REAR SHOCK Coil-over with external rebound adjust, 6.0x1.25"
FORK Manitou Axel Comp, 100mm travel, FFD damping.

Raiyn 07-23-04 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by GreenFix
Nice choice. It is always nice to see how these threads turn out.

I have been doing my bike shop drive bys for a while now, and that is the bike that keeps catching my eye. Great price, nice parts, looks great.

I have one question for those of you who have more experience than me with suspension, what is the story behind the suspension parts on this frame? Now I am riding an older steel frame with a Judy XC, so my standards are not high. I was just curious.

REAR SHOCK Coil-over with external rebound adjust, 6.0x1.25"
FORK Manitou Axel Comp, 100mm travel, FFD damping.

What do you specifically want to know?

GreenFix 07-23-04 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Raiyn
What do you specifically want to know?

Good point.
I have been looking at the different levels of the FSR XC and the stumpjumper, and noticing that the rear shock is that generic coil over description from the specialized page, while the othe frames have a propedal assist Fox shock at least. I know the frame is upgradable, but rear shocks are also pretty expensive. I was wondering how well the rear coil over would perform. I know the suspension design is excellent, and a salesman at the local shop hinted that the propedal assist is a bit redundant because of how well the horst link works. I was just looking for some other opinions. I think the step up to fox equipped bike is a hefty $400 (of course you also get a fork with lock out, and some other drive train upgrades).

Sorry long intro. How does the coil over shock compare to the Fox propedal shock in terms of performance?

I assume that the front fork is your run of the mill coil sprung, entry level XC fork similar to what I am riding now. I like my fork, but I have never ridden anything else.

Raiyn 07-23-04 12:57 PM

The Pro Pedal feature isn't something I can directly comment on as i purchased my Rockhopper FSR Comp last year prior to it being an availiable option. In my opinion an air shock is adjustable to meet a broader range of body weights and riding conditions than a coil over in which the spring itself must be changed to match the weight range of the individual. Having said that, if the coil spring is set up properly then the rider will have fewer worrys about things such as air seal failures and the like. (they've gotten MUCH better) I borrowed this from another website but it explains the differences better than I can behind a keyboard

Originally Posted by aardvarkcycles
Air/Oil Shocks, aka air shocks, aka pneumatic shocks, aka gas shocks, all work on the same principle. An air chamber is pumped with air. This air chamber works just like an invisible elastomer and provides the resistance the shock has when you land that gnarly jump. The oil part is for damping the rebound so your wheel doesn't snap back out so fast you wipe it in front of your riding buds. There are numerous variations on this concept, with different valving, different chamber setups, etc.

The advantages of air/oil shocks are that they are light weight and almost infinitely adjustable. On the downside, they tend to be a little harsh on the small stuff. There is a certain amount of force needed to get the shock in motion, so your butt can be feeling some chatter, but these hits might too soft for the shock to "notice" and you'll feel like your riding a hardtail again. Newer shock design incorporating negative springs avoid much of this problem. These shocks also require air pressure, so that means you need a special high psi air pump. The internals on these things are very complex, and should only be worked on by the manufacturer or a highly skilled mechanic.

Air/Air Shocks Fox, Rock Shox, and Cane Creek are making excellent shocks that uses air chambers for both the resistance and damping, which is super lightweight and very tunable. The big advantage is how lightweight they are, but they can suffer from the same low impact harshness as Air/Oil shocks..

Coil Spring Shocks replace the air chamber with a big spring to provide the resistance. Oil is used to damp the rebound. These shocks offer superb small bump sensitivity, with sidewalk cracks often enough to get these things going, yet the progressive nature of steel springs handle the big bumps great. Coil-spring shocks also offer simplicity, low maintenance, and relatively inexpensive price tags.

Sounds too good to be true? Well, the negative aspects are weight, weight, and more weight. These will weight as much as a full pound more than a good Air/Oil shock. Titanium springs are being offered as a replacement for the stock steel springs, but in our opinion, there have not been any decent springs on the market worth buying. Ti has different characteristics than steel and doesn't seem to make a very reliable spring from what we have seen so far.

What Should You Get? Think about what type of riding you do, what you want your bike to act like, and how much money you have to spend. This is I can tell you, no matter which shock you buy, time invested in proper intallation and tuning to match your rider weight and riding style will pay huge dividends in enjoyment.. In most cases, you cant just bolt on a new shock, you must tune it to the travel and spring rate of your bike. This is something you must do yourself, it can't be done via email! Properly tuning a shock to your rider weight, style of riding, and suspension design is essential.


GreenFix 07-23-04 01:30 PM

Thanks Raiyn.

That was informative.

Raiyn 07-23-04 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by GreenFix
Thanks Raiyn.

That was informative.

Glad to be of service

Scooby Snax 07-23-04 02:41 PM

dirtyduff, nice looking bike, now um, please tell me that you just washed her?
Go get her dirty!
I have a stumpy fsrxc salesman said it was the bike for me cause I was grinnin like a kid when I wheeled her back round the parking lot.

Enjoy!!

SpecializedHRS 07-24-04 09:47 AM

My Vote is for any of the specialized bikes. Those bikes kick major ass. good luck!

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Phiber 07-24-04 10:31 AM

Get a Marin. :) For that money and a little sweet talking, you can get an '04 Marin Nail Trail. Hayes Hydro brakes and a really nice component set. ;) Hardtail baby

Raiyn 07-24-04 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by Phiber
Get a Marin. :) For that money and a little sweet talking, you can get an '04 Marin Nail Trail. Hayes Hydro brakes and a really nice component set. ;) Hardtail baby

If you people would READ THE THREAD You'd see that he already purchased a bike.

opTics 07-26-04 03:44 AM

I might be getting the FSR within the next couple of day as well; how have you been liking it?? would u recommend it?

SpecializedHRS 07-26-04 06:17 AM

I DID READ THE THREAD. CONGRATS MAN! thats a wicked nice bike. good look with it and u made thee right choice.Now get out there and rip up the trails!

dirtyduff 07-27-04 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by opTics
I might be getting the FSR within the next couple of day as well; how have you been liking it?? would u recommend it?

Loving the bike. Fits me well. I had them fitted with clipless pedals and I'm still getting used to them. I've fallen 4-5 times already just coming to a stop and not clipping out in time to dab. Man, I feel stupid when that happens.

DocRay 07-27-04 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Raiyn
Hmmm and what does the current XC World Cup Champion ride? Oh yeah a Specialized! Who gives a fat rat heiny what Lance rides. He could win the Tour on a Huffy if they would put enough money into it.

True...true...I always giggle when I see tech segments on cycling technology and how pros need $1000 this and that...go to Walmart and get Lance a Barbie 10-speed, Armstrong would still kick all our asses.

Raiyn 07-27-04 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by DocRay
True...true...I always giggle when I see tech segments on cycling technology and how pros need $1000 this and that...go to Walmart and get Lance a Barbie 10-speed, Armstrong would still kick all our asses.

While that may be true you still missed my point. In the 80's Serotta built bikes for the 7-11 team that were badged as Huffys. Meaning that Huffy threw enough money at Serotta to have them build race bikes for thier team that they could turn and put a Huffy logo on.


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