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Old 10-13-09, 01:31 PM
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Wheelie Balance - Help Needed...

Ok What's the trick? I've been working on it for awhile but can't stop accelerating, even when holding the back disk brake.

I saw a guy going down the road yesterday while I was in my car & he was smooth & controlled, much like a unicyclist. I ride unicycles too, still, I can't figure out how to get the sustained wheelie going on my MTB (trek fuel100 team)with the proper balance point or with no acceleration.

Tips, pointers anyone? What is the trick? Can this sort of thing be described? How about a video link?

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Manuals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Nn4Z5WVIg
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Thanks for the link Svr! Most helpful. I figured a video would be the ticket.

How about manuals while pedaling? Got a link for that?
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Manual while pedaling = wheelie?
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Either you have the wheelie gene or you don't. If you spend a few weeks trying - and you still can't you probably never will. I have tried for years (and have known others missing the w chromosome as well) - can ride a unicycle, hop on my front/rear wheel, track stand all day - but still can't consistently ride a wheelie.
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^^ I think Tim and I should go down to the roads behind the shopping center off Indian Trail (perfect smooth slope) and conduct a 'wheelie clinic' some Wednesday night. Everyone who wants to wheelie should .

waldo - - Best place to keep acceleration in check is to practice on a gentle up-slope. This gives your effort some resistance.
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Ok What's the trick? I've been working on it for awhile but can't stop accelerating, even when holding the back disk brake.
first check your brakes

then lean back farther
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I have ridden with Mr. Arnold many times over the years - I think he has 2 wheelie genes. One time - years ago we were doing some trials demonstrations for the Spokane mountaineers - one of the observers asked why I did'nt wheelie as much as Tim - I explained my wheelie gene theory.......

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^^ I think Tim and I should go down to the roads behind the shopping center off Indian Trail (perfect smooth slope) and conduct a 'wheelie clinic' some Wednesday night. Everyone who wants to wheelie should .

waldo - - Best place to keep acceleration in check is to practice on a gentle up-slope. This gives your effort some resistance.
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I can pop it up and get it to the balancing point. But once I get there, I just freeze up and end up with the front wheel back down. If I keep pedaling, it would still come down.

If I'm extra rough, I'll just fly off the back. I just can't control the power once I'm up there.

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I have ridden with Mr. Arnold many times over the years - I think he has 2 wheelie genes.
It's called the 'growing up with Stingray bikes' gene . Every kid learned to wheelie in the mid-'60s. But Tim does have it in spades. I still can't manual to save my soul; but I'm getting a better at brake modulation so I can control them on flat ground. Since you can ride a uni, you've got the balance gene you need - - you just need some technique refining and you'll have it.

Here's how to think of it: remember when you were learning the uni and the sweet spot balance point seemed waaaaayyy farther forward than it should? Like you were about to fall on your nose? Wheelie is just the opposite - - sweet spot is way behind where your brain tells you it should be. It feels like it's back there where you'll loop out for sure; but there it is.
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It's gettin' old.
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Sorry! I only did it twice. I just find it humorous. I won't waste any more space on fake postings.
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Originally Posted by kenhill3 View Post
It's gettin' old.
+1 'cause it's true

-2 for not thinking of a funnier way to say so

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Here's how to think of it: remember when you were learning the uni and the sweet spot balance point seemed waaaaayyy farther forward than it should? Like you were about to fall on your nose? Wheelie is just the opposite - - sweet spot is way behind where your brain tells you it should be. It feels like it's back there where you'll loop out for sure; but there it is.
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+1 'cause it's true

-2 for not thinking of a funnier way to say so
That's still leaves me in the negative numbers. God I suck.
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God I suck.
+1 for accuracy. Better now?
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+1 for accuracy. Better now?
Thanks. At least I'm right in the middle now.
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Some good suggestions on here. Wheelies/pops arent hard but just take practice, dont agree with the wheelie gene deficiency theory!

Some of these pointers are already mentioned:
1 Dont start doing it with clips!
2 Start on grass, wear a helmet, slight incline is a good idea to start.
3 Sweet spot is really far back, farther than you think.
4 Try lowering your seat a bit at first=lower center of gravity less scary feeling when you get far back.
5 Choose a gear that you wont spin out on easily. Middle chainring up front and not the easiest in back. I feel you might be using too easy of a gear and hence cant 'keep it up'. Start with a hard gear and if you have a hard time getting up go one easier untill you find a good gear.

When you first start practicing get comortable using one finger on the rear brake leaver and using it to bring your nose down (not important if you are not getting to the 'sweet spot' at this point just get used to one finger braking. Smoother the better, no slamming the brake is necasary).

Once you got the brake down, know a good gear, can get the front up its time to try and find the sweet spot. First thing to do is practice 'looping out'. On purpose pedal hard/pull up hard so you do a fast wheelie and go past the point of no return. Be ready and jump off the back. This will get you comfortable ejecting if you go to far and give you lots of confidence.

Now to find the sweet spot take it back a notch from 'looping out'. Pull a little less accelerate a little slower. Then when you get to the sweet spot instead of feeling like you are pulling the bars up arms bent you should feel almost like your hanging from them with your arms straight weight back/but at the back of the seat. Keep relaxed and focus on GENTLY easing on the brake to keep you from going over.

Once you get a feeling for where the 'sweet spot' is and how much break to use for the initial getting up stage (at first you will use too much and bring the front down prematurely). You will start getting in longer wheelies.

To do extended ones (im pretty sure ive done a mile before but never really measure) it is a game of brake force/vs pedal force to keep in the right zone. Gentle brake vs gentle pedal. None of these actions should be sharp or urgent. Breaking and pedaling at the same time also helps to control your balance when getting started. Have confidence in being able to jump off the back.

And one final tip. Practice all the time! Every time you are on your bike. Every flat piece of grass your ride on pull a wheelie!

ADVANCED. Once you have the sweet spot down. Controll comes from the hips. It is possible to turn, balance against wind forces etc during wheelies it just takes practice.

Down hill/coast wheelies (not manuals, technically i think manuals are not done seated) are also really fun and can greatly improve your breaking skills. Pick a harder gear than usual, you will have to pull up harder to get to the sweet spot. But once you are there stay nice and back and try to controll the wheelie just using the break no pedaling. An amazing feeling once this is perfected as you can coast down hills at high speed on your back wheel and look like a badass. You can even come to a stop from high speeds by leaning back further, applly more break= you slow down and get super verticle or even past verticle! untill you come to a stop.

hope this isnt tmi for one post and it makes sense! good luck!
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longest post i have ever seen and it was about wheelies. nice.
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longest post i have ever seen and it was about wheelies. nice.
One of the best wheelie post I've ever seen. I still can't find the balance point =(

Mine are about 5ft long before I start tilting either to the right or left and have to stop pedaling and put the front down.
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Ok What's the trick? I've been working on it for awhile but can't stop accelerating, even when holding the back disk brake.

I saw a guy going down the road yesterday while I was in my car & he was smooth & controlled, much like a unicyclist. I ride unicycles too, still, I can't figure out how to get the sustained wheelie going on my MTB (trek fuel100 team)with the proper balance point or with no acceleration.

Tips, pointers anyone? What is the trick? Can this sort of thing be described? How about a video link?

Any help will be much appreciated.

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No clipless, unless you want to look like a turtle on it's back.

The trick is balance, that is it really... you'll never stop pedaling with a wheelie because your weight is too far forward, if you learn a manual your weight is further back and lower which is trickier but omits the need to pedal to keep from rotating forward.

Here is a trick and if you can master this then you'll have no wheelie trouble. Find a chair with four legs and a back. Sit in the chair and lean backwards until you're just balancing on the back two legs. Same position as a wheelie but, you can hold onto the desk while you practice your balance! Try it with your eyes closed to up the ante young one. Good luck, this skill may look easy but it takes a long time to get good at it, don't let people tell ya otherwise!
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Wear a helmet on that chair. Don't do it in class.
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"longest post i have ever seen and it was about wheelies. nice."

-Yeah well wheelies are serious business

"Mine are about 5ft long before I start tilting either to the right or left and have to stop pedaling and put the front down."

- You need to control the bike beneath you just like when balancing on two wheels going very slow. If you are up in a wheelie and feel like you are going to fall to the left shift hips to the left and your upper boddy to the right and counter steer (turn the handle bars to the right) and vice versa. Try and do this quickly before you get too off balance. Its kinid of like riding slowly, you move the bike back and forth underneath you and turn the handle bars for balance. Do the same thing but since you are seated you will need to use your hips more.... will try and find a youtube video that shows this, if not will put one up.
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Awesome! Thanks for the tip. I just can't seem to get it for some reason.

I can trackstand for 5 minutes on my mountain bike if you want me to....but can't wheelie for more than 3 seconds!!!

I'm going to give that hip thing a try. Thanks again.
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