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Old 09-07-04, 02:39 PM
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Pit bull..now what?

Last week while riding a bike path some guy was walking a pit bull on chain in the opposite direction. The dog lunged for me but the owner (barely) held the 1" chain. If that guy let go, the dog would have attacked.

What to do in this case? throw the bike at the dog?
 
Old 09-07-04, 02:57 PM
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You do what you most likely did-- keep moving uptrail. If you where riding with a bud then I'd suggest that telling the dog owner how you feel would have been ok. Pit owners (in general) don't like people telling them what to do with their dogs. Or you could do what I do I blow the ever loving hell out of my whistle.
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Give him a wide berth. If dog lunges when you're 2 ft away, you may be toast. Then again, there used to be a couple loud 'n mean 'n big dogs across the alley from me. They'd bark and raise hell and scare the bejeezus out of me from behind the fence and even jumped over a few times. I yelled 'get back' in my most intimidating voice & they'd leave us alone. My point is: when they're on their own territory, many dogs are more brave than when they're free (or on yours). Same holds true on leash. My dog is pretty agressive to other dogs when she's on leash. When I let go she is much calmer. Though if she gets into 'prey' mode, things can get ugly. Which is where you could end up with that pit bull. So if it does get away & is gonna catch up to you, try to keep the bike between you & it. Yell at it. Sometimes raising your hand like you're gonna swat it with newspaper will work. Best defense is to not get in the situation in the first place. good luck-
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All I can say is please don't generalize pitbulls as nasty killers- it's the human guardians who are often to blame in the case of a mean pit. I just spent the weekend with two very loving, well mannered, effectionate pitbulls that my friend has raised, and they are some of the sweetest dogs I've met.

The reason pitbulls have developed this stigma is because there are so many irresponsible people who want a tough dog to lift their own self image.

I'm not saying this dog didn't threaten you by lunging... It's just that if it was any other breed you probably wouldn't have even mentioned the breed in the title. My little 40 lb. Australian Shepherd has lunged at people riding by on the trail also.
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When I used to skate often, there was a particularily nasty part of my neighborhood where dogs always were loose and the owners would encourage them to attack me. One day I carried my beatin' stick with me (a 3 foot long, slim short staff) and crack one of these attacking dogs on the head. Within plain view of the owners.

The dog was never loose, again.
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Old 09-07-04, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Phiber
When I used to skate often, there was a particularily nasty part of my neighborhood where dogs always were loose and the owners would encourage them to attack me. One day I carried my beatin' stick with me (a 3 foot long, slim short staff) and crack one of these attacking dogs on the head. Within plain view of the owners.

The dog was never loose, again.

Imagine that on a bike. Head on bike, head on dog. Let's go lancing. :dogs eye goes flying: E-gAD!!! Hey at least that stick saved your butt. Let's hope you'll never have to do that again.
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Old 09-07-04, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Phiber
When I used to skate often, there was a particularily nasty part of my neighborhood where dogs always were loose and the owners would encourage them to attack me. One day I carried my beatin' stick with me (a 3 foot long, slim short staff) and crack one of these attacking dogs on the head. Within plain view of the owners.

The dog was never loose, again.
I'd beat a dog down with a skateboard (or a stick) if it came after me, too.
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Old 09-07-04, 06:16 PM
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Good job on the head "crackin" Phiber. That'll teach their moldy arss!
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There's a heeler at one house somewhat near mine that regularly comes out after people, the last 2 times they did, I just kicked it in the face. Last time, I got it right on the end of the nose, and it stopped attacking me

I was also chased by a german sheperd while I was riding along the highway, but I was already doing 20mph or so, and in a fairly high gear, so I just shifted up and outran it. It followed me (30 feet away) for about half a mile, though. Finally it gave up, panting (yay), and I went a little further, and then took a drink

Usually I can just yell at dogs, or sometimes even hop of the bike and start towards them, and they'll go back home. I don't look forward to the time when a dog keeps coming when I get off the bike :/
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So does Phiber's head "crackin" beater stick. But where do you store it Phib?
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Old 09-08-04, 03:35 AM
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if you cant outrun the dog and the dog doesn't stop then the best thing is to quickly get off the bike and place the bike between you and the dog. This stops the attack at least so you can work on other options like whacking it with the U-lock -getting the owner involved or calling the police or something.
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Old 09-08-04, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gonesh9
All I can say is please don't generalize pitbulls as nasty killers- it's the human guardians who are often to blame in the case of a mean pit. I just spent the weekend with two very loving, well mannered, effectionate pitbulls that my friend has raised, and they are some of the sweetest dogs I've met.

This dog was no sweetie. Pit bulls do not normally have an aggressive nature, but the ones that do are the result of mental torture and conditioning by the owners. It takes a really sick individual to do this.
When the dogs kill or maim, they are put down, I think they should be locked in a cage with the owner.
If I see this guy again and the dog is still aggresive, I'll carry pepper spray or mace (although both illegal in Canada).
 
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Many dogs don't really care about attacking you or biting you - it's all about the chase. If you can't outrun them, once you stop, many will lose interest and wander back to where they came from. Of coure, that doesn't help, since once you get on the bike and start moving again, they'll want to chase you all over again.

Having said this, I wouldn't rely on stopping to prevent an attack, just not be so quick with that "puppy be good stick".
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Originally Posted by DocRay
Last week while riding a bike path some guy was walking a pit bull on chain in the opposite direction. The dog lunged for me but the owner (barely) held the 1" chain. If that guy let go, the dog would have attacked.

What to do in this case? throw the bike at the dog?
It definitely would have chased. Whether it attacked is a matter best left to speculation.

DO NOT try to outrun a dog on a trail. You will NOT be successful. You'll only stoke the dog on.

The best thing to do is get off the bike and keep it between you and the dog. Stay calm and allow the owner to collect his pooch. Don't look the dog DIRECTLY in the eyes. That is an expression of dominance and could provoke an attack.

Squirts with water bottles are good distractions. Kicking the dog or hitting it with a tire pump may provoke an attack. A blast from a CO2 cartidge would probably also discourage the dog from attacking.

Keep in mind that some people advocate bopping the dog. This will only work if the dog didn't inted an attack in the first place (chasing for play). Most chases fit into this category, and the worst you'll receive is a little ankle nipping (non attack herding behavior).

If you bop a dominant aggresive dog, you're going to provoke an attack. And those are the ones you have to worry about in the first place. And I personally wouldn't want to get into a fight with a pit bull. There are cases of police officers lodging multiple rounds in pitbulls and that STILL doesn't stop an attack. So just remember, your puny kick or whack with a stick or skateboard will NOT stop a pit-bull intent on disembowling you. At best, you'll hurt a dog that wasn't going to attack anyway. At worst, you'll provoke an attack from an aggresive dog that was just investigating.

So please, stick to spray from watter, CO2, pepper spray ... whatever!!!!

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grenades usually work
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Originally Posted by snakehunter
grenades usually work
rofl!!
this doesn't really apply, but in South Africa, i was "approached" by a baboon. A worker, at a near by souvinier shop said that if i kicked or hit or thru somhing at it, it would most likly provoke it adn increase the aggression. Of course, this baboon was only looking for food (in my back pack) but those 2 inch fangs are quite intimadating up close. I know this doesn't really apply, but it has the same basic meaning...don't kick or hit the "creature" as some of you have said...dunno why i am telling this, but o well...why not?

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depends on the dog, the environment, how close the dog is to home/owner, how often the dog is out away from home.... I tend to have the biggest problems with dogs that are used to being outside their yard and are aggressive by nature. study canine behavior, you'll know what the dog wants to do as it's approaching... play, bite, chase, kill, whether to slow down, speed up, reduce cadence, or defend yourself.... I've found kicking works great if you wear boots, make the first one count, the dog is under 60 lbs, and you are riding above 10mph. A bunny hop or erratic bike behaviour may deter some dogs... make em think they're going into the grinding wheel if they get any closer.
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Personally, I woulda kicked the dog right in the muzzle.

I've had to do that before, and I wont hesitate do it again...

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Originally Posted by BigHit-Maniac
Personally, I woulda kicked the dog right in the muzzle.

I've had to do that before, and I wont hesitate do it again...

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not sure that is a good idea with a pit bull
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Yeh, theyll jump on yeh, and maul you to bits if they can. And the last thing you want is to die a painful death by a semi-smart creature.
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yeah. wouldn't that be a ***** to get eaten by something smaller and dumber, because you were thinking about what to do next? and BTW, to all you folks saying that pit bulls get a bad rap. well they do, but its not unfounded. Why do you think many illegal types own pit bulls? They are inherently, instinctively more aggressive than other dogs. Its just a fact. Period. That doesn't mean that they can't be nice or trained well. But Chows are also aggressive breed dogs and is it because their owners train them that way? nope. Ya can't beat nature (unless its with a stick)

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carry sausage links. when the dog attacs throw sausages at him, whill he is happily eating pat his head, scratch his ear and ride away peacefully. Next time the dog sees you he will think, hey this is my old buddy the sausage guy and will treat you like a long lost friend and not an enemy.

Then use the beat down stick on the owner just because a beat down stick isnt any good untill its bloody.
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All I can say is please don't generalize pitbulls as nasty killers
Damn right, we have had staffies in work (vets) which are required to have a licence for IIRC, and they have been totally calm and affectionate. On the other hand the most trouble we have had with aggression have been female labradors (i have three and they are fine at home).

Worse case scenario and you are badly attacked, take it by the neck, or use the gag reflex of a balled fist down the throat.
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