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Dannihilator 10-09-04 06:22 PM

Standardizing the widths on mtb tires.

mtnbiker66 10-09-04 06:39 PM

Malestrom, just wandering why the hate on single pivots. I know, different strokes for different folks, fill me in. :D

Maelstrom 10-09-04 06:47 PM

Don't hate them. They play a part. I just think the dismissal of FSR is ass backwards. FSR imo is a good mid range type of suspension. decent pedal, not toooo expensive, not much in the way of brake jack etc...In the case of both ironhorse and specialized they have chosen to dismiss fsr and replace with more complicated systems which = signifiganlty more money OR single pivot options with some extras (brake therapy)

I don't like the feel of single pivots I have tried in my range of riding (bullits for example)...they felt like crap.Now I will give the ironhorse ones a chance, don't get me wrong...I just feel like they are dismissing reasonable technology for sub par technology and replacing the reasonable with very expensive. No journeyman left in the sport :)

mtnbiker66 10-09-04 07:29 PM

I like my single, but I see the brake jack thing. I also like the Stinky. Your point on the cost of technology is dead on, it's like the cost of riding will keep some riders off the trails . Most of us work for a living.

cryptid01 10-09-04 07:34 PM

I would seek to improve the driveline, both in efficiency and simplicity. I dream of an unsprung, compact contiuiously variable transmission with a sealed drive mechanism.

Hopper 10-09-04 07:39 PM

Even with Stinky's there's a reasonable amount of Brake Jack while doing DH it is quite noticeable. Kona's getting better at lowering it's effect, but with a suspension system which is almost unchanged and 12 years old there's got to be a bit of play. Look at there Stab Primo or Supreme, one of them has a floating disc brake.

Just out of curiosity, how much better is it with a floating disc brake say on a long travel single pivot like an Orange 223?

Maelstrom 10-09-04 08:31 PM

Signifigant difference. If fixes almost all of the brake jack problem.

crgowo 10-09-04 11:49 PM

2 things
1: i would like to see a light puncture proof tire/tube. Not haveing to every worry about changing tubes. I know a lot of people say stans but ive heard tubeless with stans is just as heavy as a slime filled tube with tuffy tire liners. I dont like having to change tubes on the trail.

2: This might sound like a big newbie question but what is brake jack exactly? And how does it happen.
Thanks

Maelstrom 10-09-04 11:52 PM

brake jack/squat. On most suspension it occurs when you lock the brakes (this is especially felt on single pivot systems) Lock the brake the suspension locks into a position (it either squats, compressed, or jacks, extends) and stops the suspension from being active (temporary hardtail)....

Thats the basics. Whether it squats or jacks depends on pivot positions and basic design.

-Stretch- 10-10-04 10:51 AM

lol i didnt know what that was either...sounds painful if your goin DH

Maelstrom 10-10-04 10:56 AM

If you don't use brakes or are adjust your riding to it, it isn't so bad. Just personally, I don't like it haha

Scooby Snax 10-10-04 11:37 AM

Improvement, Flat bars with more sweep, just because the bar is flat doesnt mean it has to be dead straight!! Damn stupid formerly broken wrist!!

That and bar mounted lights that dont shine into your cables... man is that annoying!! (did you hear that Night Rider??)

Oh, and a little dohickey that stops time, except for you of course, that way you can ride an epic every day, in no time flat. :D

math2p14 10-10-04 04:39 PM

As A2 said, i would improve bearings in pivots and bb.

Another area that i would definately put my effort to is FEA of the frame...cmon i want a frame that is meant to last heaven and hell,

in simple words, simple,reliable and bombproof.

Trek 77 is doing some serious job in improving the pivots (or at least it looks like it)
Trek and Kingfisher are doing a good job at having 1.5HT and Replaceable dropouts
Banshee are doing a great job in having a strong frame (i dont care about weight)
Nicolai is doing a great job in having the option of fitting different i2i shocks in the same frame (Helius ST)

I would combine all of the above and the result would be my optimal/ideal bike...

Yannis

Raiyn 10-10-04 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by Maelstrom
.In the case of both ironhorse and specialized they have chosen to dismiss fsr and replace with more complicated systems which = signifiganlty more money OR single pivot options with some extras (brake therapy)

Eh? When did Specialized move away from FSR? The only mountain bikes from them that aren't FSR's (or hardtails) are the Big Hit SPEC and SPEC Grom.

Maelstrom 10-10-04 11:57 PM

Yeah I guess I mean the bighit...not fsr. Considering the demo is still fsr (with some excess cash). And even then specialized still has 3 bighits (at least in australia), I just have a gut feeling the bighit is a dying beast.

Hopper 10-11-04 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by Maelstrom
And even then specialized still has 3 bighits (at least in australia), I just have a gut feeling the bighit is a dying beast.

Not really. There is only one shop in Australia that I know that has the three. In Adelaide is what I reckon the place in Australia with most Bighit's, and there is one major bike shop hear that sells them. So I think that this shop would be the biggest seller of Bighit's in Aus, yet this shop is only getting the one Bighit FSR. So I am heaps confused as to what is happening with the Bighit wit FSR.

If the bighit does die it will be the end of an era. They were great bikes and I have really missed mine ever since it was stolen.

anthonaut 10-12-04 04:24 AM

I Just thought of another thing i would improve the other day. Universal disc brake pads. The amount of different pads out there is just ludicrous. It would also lower the prices to LESS than a car's brake pads unlike the situation at the moment. (Well at least it is here)

naz 10-12-04 04:54 AM

imo.
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.

better frame material, the lightness and stiffness of aluminium with teh strength of steel.

better frame designs, i.e VPP (virtual pivot point, like the intense m3 and santa cruz v11,v10 and vpfree)

a2psyklnut 10-12-04 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by naz
imo.
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.


Check out Hope, UK based company.

L8R

Maelstrom 10-12-04 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by naz
imo.
for trials more hubs with more engagement points, king seem to be the only hubs around that have good enough engagement.

True prcision and HAdley Trials have more engagement points :)

Hope and standard hadley have half of what king have which is pretty amazing as well.

eurotrash666 10-12-04 09:31 AM

i want to see more awesome hubs. you know, big, fat, smooth, stout, sealed-bearing get-ups. i think the shimano cassette killed bullseye, nukeproof, and white industries. only phil and chris king wanted to pay license fees it seems.

notfred 10-12-04 10:21 AM

Someone needs to design an unbendable rear derailleur hangar.

eurotrash666 10-12-04 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by notfred
Someone needs to design an unbendable rear derailleur hangar.

if the hanger doesn't bend, your derailleur will. every system needs a fuze, a weak link. i'd rather break a $5.00 hanger than a $120.00 derailleur!!

Maelstrom 10-12-04 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by notfred
Someone needs to design an unbendable rear derailleur hangar.

Go steel

Raiyn 10-12-04 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by eurotrash666
if the hanger doesn't bend, your derailleur will. every system needs a fuze, a weak link. i'd rather break a $5.00 hanger than a $120.00 derailleur!!

Bingo


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