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Old 11-21-04, 11:05 AM
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Is the STP3 just plain irresponsible?

I was discussing this with a coworker, regarding Giant's STP3. We both feel the bike is hugely irresponsible on Giant's part, and can't figure out for the life of us how it got to production. I guess the main issue is that they market it as an agressive Urban/DJ/Trial bike, but the components on it are absolute GARBAGE. It doesn't even have the Alvio grade cranks. Its got the no-name generic $10.99 crankset that we use to replace stripped cranks on Mongooses and NEXTs. The crankset even has one of those Walmart big-ring guards on it. The fork is not even an RST Gila T4--its a SUNTOUR with some teeny little stanchions and a crown that looks like its good for doing one wheely drop off a curb.

Atually before I go any further here is the full parts spec:

color Stealth Black
size Regular, Large
frame ALUXX SL butted aluminum w/ intergrated down tube gussett
fork SR Suntour XC75, 100mm travel
derailleur Front: Shimano Alivio, Rear: Shimano Alivio
derailleurshifters Shimano EF-29, 8-speed
cranks Giant, 22/32/44T
pedals Alloy Platform
handlebar 1.25" riser
stem Alloy 1 1/8", Ahead
headset 1 1/8" Ahead
brakes Alloy direct-pull
saddle Giant Freeride
seatpost Alloy Micro Adjust, 30.9mm
rims Alex 36H Double Wall
hubs Alloy 36H, QR, w/ double seals
tires Kenda K Rad 26 x 1.95"
cassette SRAM PG-830 11-28T, 8 speed
spokes Stainless steel 14G

I just think it is horribly irresponsible to market this bike to kids as a bike for riding stunts and doing tricks. I haven't sold the bike yet because anyone that comes in to look at it, I basically tell them sorry, this ones just for looks. Buy an STP2, a P1/2 or a Hardrock.
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Old 11-21-04, 11:24 AM
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The stuff thats on the STP at my lbs inst bad it dosent have crappy sompnents on it. Maybe a diff year?
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Old 11-21-04, 11:37 AM
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Reminds me of early kona stuffs. Advertise as djer/fr ht and put on the crappiest components. Definately irresponsible. Everything else is pretty minor, but the suntour on a djer frame is an injury waiting to happen, luckily I don't know many people recommending these as full kits anyways.
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Old 11-21-04, 12:28 PM
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I think they do this to keep the price down. It may be irresponsible but not everyone has money to shell out for a stp2, stp1, p1, p2 etc...
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Old 11-21-04, 12:39 PM
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100% agree. But if some kid buys a low end stp, takes it djing like he would think it is capable, snaps the fork and then breaks and arm...I understand the idea to keep prices down, bu misrepresenting a product can only be a bad thing
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Old 11-21-04, 01:23 PM
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No offense, but did you put this much thought into things were you were 12?

Probably not, so if a kid is going to dj, he'd probably do it with whatever bike he had anyways. Be it a bike he bought that was advertised for djing or just a walmart generica bike, he'd probably still do it.
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Old 11-21-04, 01:26 PM
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Actually I did. When I started playing football I wanted to make sure I had the right armour.

I believe thats the point to my post. The rider is gonna ride it, the company should make sure they produce a product that will work for advertised usage. . I am not saying he wouldn't do it, I am talking about liability...jeez I thought I was pretty clear, when you are 12 you just wanna play.
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Old 11-21-04, 02:18 PM
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I think alot of young kids will buy it thinking its a capible dj rig, which is what giant wants, not to hurt kids, but to sell bikes to them. And alot of kids will get hurt, if not from the bike braking, from pushing the limits of their skill, which happens to all of us.
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Old 11-21-04, 03:13 PM
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I think this comes down to all things being relative, anyone who is any good at jumping i.e has practice'd a lot with his mate's, seen pro ride etc will know the shortcomings of that bike.
I see where I live loads of kids on BMX bike and very cheap (and rubbish) full suspension bike's yet I never see them pulling crazy Matt Hoffman tricks on BMX or crazy stupid downhill riding on those cheap and nasty FS bike's. But kids do love a dual bouncer no matter how crap they are and all kids love BMX's. They will never use it to its potential anyway.
That being said I've seen kids pulling crazy jumps on Saracens with similar spec's and I've never heard of many! breaking but those same kids can not afford to deck out there bike's in fancy stuff like DJ forks and Pygmy gussett cranks. And that being said in UK mountain bike mags they show picture's every month of proper jump bike's being broken!
In Oxford where I live there are kids tooling round town "urban riding" on piece's of crap and I'm sure not one of them thinks oh **** I should'nt do this on this bike.
Heck when I was young we use to make huge ramps out of old wood and jump with old racinging bike for christ sake, I was hard core.

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Old 11-21-04, 03:15 PM
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i bought it for way to much at 2000 and it sux so bad giant sucks mountains they love thte road
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Old 11-21-04, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
Actually I did. When I started playing football I wanted to make sure I had the right armour.

I believe thats the point to my post. The rider is gonna ride it, the company should make sure they produce a product that will work for advertised usage. . I am not saying he wouldn't do it, I am talking about liability...jeez I thought I was pretty clear, when you are 12 you just wanna play.
I was referring to seely........

LOLZ!

Btw, youz about to get punzed in football...AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGOOOOOOOSSSSS
Also, noone plays organized football without equipment...Unless you played unorganized football with equipment in which case you were the wierdest 12 year old ever.
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Old 11-21-04, 04:51 PM
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Yeah but usually they made you buy your own equipment. And last time I played there was different pads for differnet players. I was OT...needed slightly different pads then a receiver

And we did play unorganized with equipment (I hate flag and touch football). My greatest joy in sports comes from crushing someone into the ground or dunking over someone.
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Old 11-21-04, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by swifferman
No offense, but did you put this much thought into things were you were 12?

Probably not, so if a kid is going to dj, he'd probably do it with whatever bike he had anyways. Be it a bike he bought that was advertised for djing or just a walmart generica bike, he'd probably still do it.
I did. I put like 5000000000000000000000 threads on the bikeforums and people started getting annoyed at me. Then I found my kona scrap. However, there are many things that can be replaced...the pedals, rims, fork and maybe stem/handle bars. Ill leave the deraillers because they're bound to break eventually..., if I were to get new deraillers, I'd get deore lx. Or X.7's.
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Old 11-21-04, 05:01 PM
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Are you 12 though?

Unorganized with equipment, you are zany maelstrom. So no coaches/adults/registration...

Wierd.
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Old 11-21-04, 05:03 PM
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We don't exactly have a winning football program up here. My buds and I would go take over a football field and kill each other. Like British bulldog with armour basically. In the end I didn't end up 'playing' football for 5 more years because I got into basketball instead.

Gotta remember this is Canada, closest thing we have to football is CFL...and..well..it doesn't really count.
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And I should say, not usually full equipment. Most of has helmets of sorts, some had shoulder pads...some wore hockey equipment...some had nothing (I didn't have shoulder pads till I played in high school...)
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Didn't schools have teams back then?

Every high school around here does..Oh wait...When you were 12.

VIVE LA CANADA-(Toronto)
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There was no independant program outside of highschool. We did have one in highschool which I eventually got pulled into (I love football...but couldn't play)...I played bbal mostly...

early on was just fun. We were a violent bunch of kids playing all sorts of sports. British bulldog and dodgeball got banned, so we started a football thing (we all hate soccer)...it turned into a summer long game
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Old 11-21-04, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by swifferman
No offense, but did you put this much thought into things were you were 12?
Thats kind of my point. Very few 12 year olds know/care about the components on a bike. They see the flat black paint, low standover and DJ geometry and think sweet this a hardcore urban/DJ bike! Then they go out and try doing an 8ft to flat and wind up snapping the crown on the fork!
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But what I'm saying is: Even if he doesn't see that, he'll do it anyways, because he's 12. On any bike he can get his hands on.


But if any kid that does an 8ft when he's 12 probably would've progressed and snapped the crown on a 3 footer. Unless he's really really really dumb and goes straight for the 8 footer. In which case he'll probably be in one of those Dumbass: The Movie things.

Are you asking that they fix the fork or that they remove simply the DJ Heading/descriptoin?
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I'm asking they pull the bike altogether. Whether is says DJ or not, it LOOKS like a DJ bike which kids see and don't know why its not up for what even a Hardrock with a Gila T4 is up for. The 8ft was an exaggeration, but I can remember when I was 12 and I was launching my BMX off of 4' ramps onto flats, and what happened when my rear wheel broke. I didn't have a fork to worry about since all my bikes were rigid until when I was about 17, but that Suntour fork makes me VERY nervous. I would be scared to trail ride much with it, even.
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Old 11-22-04, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by seely
I was discussing this with a coworker, regarding Giant's STP3. We both feel the bike is hugely irresponsible on Giant's part, and can't figure out for the life of us how it got to production. I guess the main issue is that they market it as an agressive Urban/DJ/Trial bike, but the components on it are absolute GARBAGE. It doesn't even have the Alvio grade cranks. Its got the no-name generic $10.99 crankset that we use to replace stripped cranks on Mongooses and NEXTs. The crankset even has one of those Walmart big-ring guards on it. The fork is not even an RST Gila T4--its a SUNTOUR with some teeny little stanchions and a crown that looks like its good for doing one wheely drop off a curb.

Atually before I go any further here is the full parts spec:

color Stealth Black
size Regular, Large
frame ALUXX SL butted aluminum w/ intergrated down tube gussett
fork SR Suntour XC75, 100mm travel
derailleur Front: Shimano Alivio, Rear: Shimano Alivio
derailleurshifters Shimano EF-29, 8-speed
cranks Giant, 22/32/44T
pedals Alloy Platform
handlebar 1.25" riser
stem Alloy 1 1/8", Ahead
headset 1 1/8" Ahead
brakes Alloy direct-pull
saddle Giant Freeride
seatpost Alloy Micro Adjust, 30.9mm
rims Alex 36H Double Wall
hubs Alloy 36H, QR, w/ double seals
tires Kenda K Rad 26 x 1.95"
cassette SRAM PG-830 11-28T, 8 speed
spokes Stainless steel 14G

I just think it is horribly irresponsible to market this bike to kids as a bike for riding stunts and doing tricks. I haven't sold the bike yet because anyone that comes in to look at it, I basically tell them sorry, this ones just for looks. Buy an STP2, a P1/2 or a Hardrock.
They probably marketed it as a bike for stunts because it is still better then any wal-mart bike or road bike for that matter. The frame is good though- its definately a bike to upgrade.

And another thing is that a lot of people- especially beginners- can't afford or don't want to pay too much for a bike. This is one for them.
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Definately, the frame is good. Gotta give it props. And giant isn't the only one. 2002 Kona scrap (I think) was crap. good solid steel frame with plastic parts.
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kids will ride the hell out of anyhting with two wheels. When I was a kid I used to do ramps and such with a k-mart murray "bmx" of all things. Amazingly that bike held up to it for years....given I tacoed plenty of rims, but it held up.

I also later treated a mart mtn bike about just as badly...I ultimately ended up snapping the frame jumping.

...Thing is kids will do this crap regardless...I think Giant may be wrong calling it a DJ/FR rig, at the least put a nicer fork and some beefier cranks. Suntour are fine for light trail use, but heck no for jumps.
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