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Old 11-22-04, 10:51 AM
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i missed the hunting season sign (bad)

this saturday i traveled from philadelphia to delaware for a ride with my friend, brother and son. we had been riding for about an hour and in the course of a normal ride in delaware we crossed a road to hit anothe trail but none of the three adults picked up on the sign warning us that the park was closed due to hunting season. so we rolled along having a great time until the yelling started. we did the right thing by apologizing and quickly turning and going the other way the park rangers were waiting and gave us a written warning.

the sign was the same color as the opened sign and slighly behind a bush. we entered the trail from an angle, which was at the bottom of steep but short decline into the park. i will mention that there was a orange sign posted on top of the original but didnt help us to notice it upon our approach.

just thought i'd share that and hope that others are more cautious than us city slickers that dont get to seee many hunting areas

my mistake
all and all it was a great ride
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Old 11-22-04, 11:11 AM
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Glad nothing bad happened...wonder if you startled away of the hunters prey
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prolbably that would explain the yelling
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hahaha...excellent. sounds like a good time, we don't get many hunters here in the 'trail' areas...
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thats why I always wear my deer costume and antler helmet when I ride, it doesn't distract the hunters OR the deer...
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Being a hunter myself, just be glad you didn't run in to this mad man. He left five people dead and three injured! This article will make me think the next time I go hunting or MTB.




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November 22, 2004


HAYWARD, Wis. -- A dispute among deer hunters over a tree stand in northwestern Wisconsin erupted Sunday in a series of shootings that left five people dead and three injured, officials said.

The alleged gunman, a man from the Twin Cities area, was arrested at about 5:15 p.m. Sunday at the Rusk and Sawyer County line, according to Sawyer County sheriff's officials.

The violence began shortly after a hunting party saw a hunter occupying their tree stand, Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle told KSTP-TV of St. Paul, Minn. A confrontation, and shooting, followed.

One of the shooting victims radioed back to the deer shack for help, he said. When more hunters came to the scene, they also were shot, Zeigle said.

The shootings happened in the town of Meteor in southwestern Sawyer County, County Sheriff James Meier said in a news release. Three people were taken to a local hospital, Meier said.

Melody Hargis, nursing supervisor at St. Joseph's Hospital in Marshfield, said one of the victims, a man, was there in critical condition.

Jennifer Grescowak, director of community relations at Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake, said one of the victims, Denny Drew, had surgery and was in serious condition. Another, Lauren Hesebeck, also had surgery and was in fair condition.

Wisconsin's statewide deer gun hunting season started Saturday and lasts for nine days.

Bill Wagner, 72, of Oshkosh, was about two miles away near Deer Lake with a party of about 20 other hunters. He said the incident was ``very upsetting.''

After they got word of a shooting, he and others went to round up the rest of the party. He said they heard sirens, planes and helicopters and noticed the surrounding roads blocked off.

``When you're hunting you don't expect somebody to try to shoot you and murder you,'' he said. ``You have no idea who is coming up to you.''

It took about three hours to round up the other hunters, who were up to four miles apart, Wagner said.

The incident won't stop their hunt, he said.

``We're all old, dyed-in-wool hunters,'' he said. ``We wouldn't go home because of this but we will keep it in our minds. We're not forgetting it.''

Jimmie Dimick, town chair of Birchwood, about five miles west of Meteor, said hunting is a tradition in the area.

``They take off a whole week of work,'' he said. ``We don't even have school during this week.''

The shootings have been the topic of conversation at Edgewood Supper Club in Birchwood Sunday night, said owner Nancy Seffinga.

There are a mix of out-of-state hunters and local hunters in the area, she said.

``It's a big shock and very sad that this had to happen here, anywhere actually, this time of the year,'' Seffinga said.
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i read that earlier today, and all i could think about was a our situation.
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One of our local (N Florida) trails is in a State Forest area that is open on certain weeks and weekends to hunting. I've checked with the hunters that gather at the weigh-in station on how they view the bikers out there when they are hunting. To a man they said it was a plus hunting-wise as it made the deer move and that increased their oddds.

That's the way I looked at it back long ago when I hunted. The trail is not closed during hunting periods. I ride during bow and black powder seasons, but hold off for regular rifle.

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Originally Posted by 100prcnt Marine
i read that earlier today, and all i could think about was a our situation.

All I can say is he can't use the excuse of I seen horns. He just an outlaw? with some serious problems? and will spend the rest of his life in jail? But-

He could be someone that was shot at first and took action. Then his training took over. This guy had to be great shot! To take out five armed hunters and wounded 3 more.

Very sad that five people had lose their lives over a stupid dispute.
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not sure you can call shooting a dear with a huge ass rifle from 100 yards away hunting....read that in the paper this morning too, thats rediculas....almost as bad as the other thing that sparked my interest in the paper, apparently in florida the cops are tasering kids who skipp school and stuff.....kinda over the top dont ya think?
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...apparently in florida the cops are tasering kids who skipp school and stuff.....kinda over the top dont ya think?
There is no way that is true. Even for America, that's absurd.
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Originally Posted by clancy98
thats why I always wear my deer costume and antler helmet when I ride, it doesn't distract the hunters OR the deer...

I hope you taste good too. One caution though, don't pull out your white handkerchief. A raised, upright white tail is a deer sign of caution or fright and the hunters know that.

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thats why I always wear my deer costume and antler helmet when I ride, it doesn't distract the hunters OR the deer...
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Around here they don't close the woods to anyone during hunting season. You see bikers, horseback riders, and hunters all wondering the same trails and roads.
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Around here they don't close the woods to anyone during hunting season. You see bikers, horseback riders, and hunters all wondering the same trails and roads.

wow i'm glad i got the warning i did
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I have been riding during the hunting season this year (the woods are not closed), and I rode all last season. I wear full blaze orange, and contrary to what you might think the hunters I have met in the woods (local NH and VT people) do not mind us on the trails. They claim we do not bother the deer much, and if we did, that would be great for them, because it would get them up and moving. I do not know what it is like in Deleware, but up here, the deer do not move much during the day. It is mostly at dusk and dawn that they are up and about, and that is when the hunting is best. I usually try to avoid the woods at those times just because the number of bullets in the air significantly increase.
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i'll stick to staying away from hunting areas. i'll quote the immortal Richard Pryor " i dont want to be no mutha#@*^'n accident"

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Geez, well nobody got shot and you probably kicked up some deer.

All is well
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Originally Posted by 100prcnt Marine
i'll stick to staying away from hunting areas. i'll quote the immortal Richard Pryor " i dont want to be no mutha#@*^'n accident"


A new twist to this story. It seems he might, and I only add might, have killed a hunter a few years ago:

Homicide connection explored Sunday's shooting has similarities to a 2001 killing 80 miles away

By JOHN DIEDRICH jdiedrich@journalsentinel.com Posted: Nov. 23, 2004

Law enforcement agencies are investigating if the man suspected of killing six deer hunters and injuring two others was involved in the unsolved slaying of a deer hunter three years ago in a nearby Wisconsin county, a detective said Tuesday.

Clark County Sheriff's Department Detective Kerry Kirn said he has exchanged frequent calls with investigators in Sawyer County since Monday morning.

"I can tell you we have been in contact with authorities from Sawyer County to address that," Kirn said. "It is premature to speculate if there is a connection."

On Nov. 23, 2001, Jim Southworth was shot to death as he hunted on family land 10 miles east of Neillsville in one of the only other homicides ever to be linked to Wisconsin's deer hunting season.

Southworth was shot twice in the back and both bullets exited his chest, an autopsy found.

Witnesses reported a pickup truck with three men inside on a road near where Southworth's body was found, about 80 miles south of Sunday's shooting.

The three men were described as Asian from 5-foot-4-inches to 6-feet. They were driving a silver or gray Nissan or Chevrolet pickup truck, possibly a late 1980s model with a light-colored fiberglass topper.

Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., who is suspected of shooting eight hunters Sunday, is 5-foot-4-inches, according to a court document. Vang has owned a 1987 Nissan pickup, according to an online search service. According to court records, Vang allegedly shot several of Sunday's victims in the back.

The Sawyer County rampage was allegedly sparked by a dispute over Vang using a deer stand on private property. One of the theories Clark County authorities have been pursuing is that Southworth was shot after confronting a trespasser.

Officials said that Vang was hunting with two other people on Sunday, before he became lost and wandered onto the private property. Police are looking for those other people.

Vang did have an out-of-state license to hunt in Wisconsin in 2001, said Mike Bartz, a Department of Natural Resources warden manager. He also had a license in 2000, 2002 and this year, he said.

Kirn called the three people being sought in Southworth's murder "persons of interest."

"To our knowledge, those are the only three people who we haven't identified who were in that area that day," Kirn said.

Kirn said he could not comment on whether Vang has been or will be questioned in the Southworth case. Investigators from the state Department of Justice are investigating both cases, he said.

"They need to do their investigation and when all facts come out, and they will relay that to me, and we'll make the comparison," Kirn said.

The Sawyer County Sheriff's Department, the first to respond to Sunday's shooting, referred questions to the Department of Justice. A spokesman there declined to comment on whether a connection was being investigated between the two cases.

Told of the two cases, a retired FBI agent said his experience tells him that they could very well be related.

"The odds of the two being unrelated are astronomical, I would say," said Bob Dwyer, who now works as a private investigator in Florida.

But an absence of physical evidence in the 2001 case could make it difficult to prove such a connection, Dwyer said. The best way to tie two crimes together is to match weapons or bullets, he said.

Kirn declined to comment on what kind of gun was used to kill Southworth or if they recovered bullets in the woods where he was shot. A warden said last year that investigators were looking for casings.

The hunting rifle Southworth was carrying - a Ruger model 77 bolt action .03-06-caliber - was missing.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov04/278124.asp
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Kind of reminds me of opening weekend for pheasant season around here. It is an uneasy feeling when you are riding on a road watching 20 guys with shotguns marching towards you.

The pheasants normally get up at the end of the field where there are "blockers." Then the shooting insues. I pedalled pretty hard until i cleared that area. I was having bad visions in my head.
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With chilling nonchalance, Vang told Wisconsin Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager that three of his victims deserved to die, as members of the audience listened in disbelief.

"Can you tell me if on that day Joseph Crotteau deserved to die?" Lautenschlager asked, holding up a poster of the six victims for him to look at.

"Yes," Vang said after a long pause. "Because he accused me of giving him [the] finger and he cut in front of me when I tried to get on, and called me names."

Vang said also singled out 20-year-old Joey Crotteau's father, Robert, as "the one that confronted me the first time," along with family friend Allan Laski.

Vang testified that Laski also had a gun, although the defense presented no evidence that Laski was armed when Vang shot him three times in the back.

Vang said Robert Crotteau cursed and "disrespected" him by calling him names such as "gook," "*****" and "f---ing Asian."

Some of the victims' friends and relatives, who filled six rows of seats, dabbed away tears as Vang, the third and final witness in the defense case, described how he methodically shot each of his victims in terms eerily like a hunting scene.

He said that he pursued Joey Crotteau nearly 400 feet through the woods, shooting him at least four times, stopping to reload and waiting for "a clear shot" that dropped the 20-year-old dead to the ground.

While describing the incident from the stand, Vang pantomimed aiming and firing a rifle.

The medical examiner who performed the autopsy testified earlier in the day that the fourth gunshot to the back of his (Joey Crotteau) neck killed him.
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A horror story !

It seems as though everyone is on the edge these days as if they're just waiting for some reason to explode.

Too much violence in the world these days !
 
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Alright buddy ! You can have your deer, just let me take him off the bike.......
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Hunting, what were they hunting in September?
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With chilling nonchalance, Vang told Wisconsin Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager that three of his victims deserved to die, as members of the audience listened in disbelief.

"Can you tell me if on that day Joseph Crotteau deserved to die?" Lautenschlager asked, holding up a poster of the six victims for him to look at.

"Yes," Vang said after a long pause. "Because he accused me of giving him [the] finger and he cut in front of me when I tried to get on, and called me names."

Vang said also singled out 20-year-old Joey Crotteau's father, Robert, as "the one that confronted me the first time," along with family friend Allan Laski.

Vang testified that Laski also had a gun, although the defense presented no evidence that Laski was armed when Vang shot him three times in the back.

Vang said Robert Crotteau cursed and "disrespected" him by calling him names such as "gook," "*****" and "f---ing Asian."

Some of the victims' friends and relatives, who filled six rows of seats, dabbed away tears as Vang, the third and final witness in the defense case, described how he methodically shot each of his victims in terms eerily like a hunting scene.

He said that he pursued Joey Crotteau nearly 400 feet through the woods, shooting him at least four times, stopping to reload and waiting for "a clear shot" that dropped the 20-year-old dead to the ground.

While describing the incident from the stand, Vang pantomimed aiming and firing a rifle.

The medical examiner who performed the autopsy testified earlier in the day that the fourth gunshot to the back of his (Joey Crotteau) neck killed him.

He's a dead man basically, sounded like it was done in cold blood, very disturbing to read.
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