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Old 11-04-11, 10:23 PM
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Colorado riders, help me choose a do it aller

So, long time no post in the dirt section.

Since the tour this previous summer I have moved to Boulder, CO. Woohoo! Problem is now I am in a mountain biking mecha and am without a mountain bike. There are something like 15 shops sighing 5 miles of each other so my options are almost endless with manufactures and what not. While I am a poor young kid trying to make it in a new city I don't have a huge expendable income for a flashy rig I can save money through the winter and have a new rig by spring time. Here is the problem, WHAT DO I GET? Can one bike do it all?

A few years ago the Santa Cruz nomad was considered the next holy grail for do it all bikes. Nw with the surgance of longer travel 29er bikes they are getting more attention. A solid all mountain bike with a dropper seat post? A custom bike that only fits me or what? Within an hour drive I can downhill, slalom, single track, pump track, xc, dj, parks, and everything in between (most within riding distance from my apartment).

Let's talk do it allers por favor
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Santa Cruz Tallboy now days. SC will build it for @$2.2K and all the way up to $6K. Great reviews on the frame. I like my Scott Spark. Maybe check Craigslist in Boulder. Has to be a ton of great used bikes this spring when all the students are broke.

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Go to Sports Garage. Ask them to play with their test bikes. They've got some awesome stuff. Yeti, Pivot, Santa Cruz...great little shop. If you want to pay a little less money, I really liked Cycle Sport too. They have a pretty good selection (and bikes in a wider price range) and great customer service.

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sorry you live in boulder. i don't think a 29er is a "do it all" although it would work where you are. if an "all mountain" is what you are looking for, the trek remedy will do it all, as will a santa cruz blur. drive the three hours to fruita and ride here, we won't have snow and you can put bikes through their paces.
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^ Or drive out to Fruita, go to OTE, and convince yourself you need a Mojo.
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Originally Posted by craigcraigcraig View Post
...I have moved to Boulder, CO.
Sorry
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...I am in a mountain biking mecha...
Correction, it's roadie mecca.
MTB-ers are not a priority in Boulder County....Valmont is the exception.


*Hit a shop with a good selection & demo as many bikes as it takes till you decide what you need.
I've often heard that Full Cycles is a good shop up yonder.
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glad to see real responses of bikes rather than the usual BF banter haha.

I moved here with my girlfriend after being in upstate New York for a few months working. Looks like Santa Cruz has a lot of bikes to offer in this "category" I'll need to cruz over to the dealers and pick their brains and get on a few. My brother lives and works as ski patrol in Vail so summer time the lifts are open which means it may get beat up a bit from my hack skills running it down a mountain.

hopefully I can go down to the sports garage today and test a couple. From looking online at the santa cruz site I think I am most interested in the Nickel, Butcher, and Heckler. They all seem to use the same pivot design for the rear shock. Those who have ridden or owned the single pivot design, could you weigh in on it? Another difference I notice is the butcher has routing for a dropper seatpost (if I were to go this route) and ISCG tabs, also a plus for versatility. I am not ruling out other bikes just saying these are the first I have looked into so let's keep discussing.

cheers, glad to be looking at the dirt stuff again, the white line is getting old.
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the butcher is definitely a bike to consider. ride one and see if it's "the one."

you can ride up in nederland (when it's not covered in snow) but go with a local.
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I agree with all pablosnazzy has said here.

To add: you don't need a big bike for front range stuff, unless you are fond of alternate lines, and your one bike also needs to take high country epics, maybe some shuttle abuse, maybe Left Hand Canyon runs. 5-6" for a do it all machine, or a fun and burly hardtail.

IMO, a kick ass do-it-all bike out there is something like the Reign (in whichever model you can afford) with a dropper post, and a 160mm fork. Screw travel adjust. You really don't need travel adjust out there. Had it on a couple forks, ended up never using it. Hell, even the Trance-X with a 140-150mm fork would kick ass as a general all around ride. Dialed bikes, they pedal fantastically, and the bang-for-buck with them is huge.

I had the most fun on most rides with shorter travel, but slacker angled bikes. IMO, more important than big travel are good tires. Kitty litter over hardpack, pine needle loam, nubbly skin tearing rock, hero dirt if you get the timing just right after the afternoon thunderstorm. I'll take the weight penalty of heavier and better tires out there any day over a larger travel bike.

( i spent a fair bit of time in longmont, rode all over the state, loved it. way cheaper living than boulder. better riding close by heading up to the peak to peak, still good stuff down low. downside: longer drive time to the stuff down in golden and getting to 70 to the higher country stuff, or heading west. OTOH, awesome stuff up by fort collins, and heading out the poudre canyone area, and up towards estes park. )
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Pivot Firebird, Ibis Mojo HD, Trek Slash. All those are longer travel all mountain bikes that you can still pedal up hill. IMO you will be hard pressed to find a better "do it all" bike then the above three. The Diamondback Mission series is also a great bet for a do it all bike if youre not looking to fork out a ton of $$. Ive been riding a 10' Mission 2 for the past year and have used it for everything from xc to northstar dh runs to pump tracks and it handles it all with ease. Have a 12' firebird on pre order but i love my mission so much im definitely gonna keep it around.
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I know plenty of cats on the front range who crush stuff/other riders on rigid SS bikes - including big shuttle epics. I also know dudes who kill everything on 7&7 bikes. YMMV, depending on the overall bent of your riding.

IMO, pedaling something like a Firebird on most of the front range local rides would suck donkey balls. Way more travel and heft than most of the area stuff warrants. Depends on how much you actually end up at the lifts and doing big hit shuttles though.

Take a smaller bike and beef up the tires and other parts as needed, or take a heavier rig and lighten it up as needed? I've always prefered the lighter approach, and going with beefier tires when needed.

IMO, test ride everything you can in your price range, and go with the stoutest thing you feel you'd want to pedal uphill for, say, 2,000-4,000 feet before descending. IMO, still something in the 6" travel range. Won't be too much a beast on pedaling rides, but most bikes in this range are still pretty capable on the average CO shuttle ride, resort lift hit, or heading to Fruita/GJ/Moab. Then save up and spring for a basid 29'er hardtail for the "local" and more XC type rides.

If you only get one rig, get a couple sets of tires. A dedicated DH set is nice for when you need it, to just not deal with flats. Some lighter and fast rolling pedaly tires for stuff like Buff Creek rides, and an in between set for, well, everything in between. Get a shorter stem, and keep the stock non-dropper post for shuttle and lift riding.

My favorite bike I was on out there is a tie between the Peyto hardtail I was on for a longtime, with a 140mm Pike, dropper post, and several different tire setups OR the Transition Covert with a 160mm fork, dropper post, multiple tire setups.

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Originally Posted by craigcraigcraig View Post
glad to see real responses of bikes rather than the usual BF banter haha.

I moved here with my girlfriend after being in upstate New York for a few months working. Looks like Santa Cruz has a lot of bikes to offer in this "category" I'll need to cruz over to the dealers and pick their brains and get on a few. My brother lives and works as ski patrol in Vail so summer time the lifts are open which means it may get beat up a bit from my hack skills running it down a mountain.

hopefully I can go down to the sports garage today and test a couple. From looking online at the santa cruz site I think I am most interested in the Nickel, Butcher, and Heckler. They all seem to use the same pivot design for the rear shock. Those who have ridden or owned the single pivot design, could you weigh in on it? Another difference I notice is the butcher has routing for a dropper seatpost (if I were to go this route) and ISCG tabs, also a plus for versatility. I am not ruling out other bikes just saying these are the first I have looked into so let's keep discussing.

cheers, glad to be looking at the dirt stuff again, the white line is getting old.

IMO, as a front range/CO do it all, the Butcher kills the Heckler. If you budget can support it over the Heckler, that would be good. Butcher with a good build vs. the Giant Reign line is a toughy. IMO, the Reign is going to pedal better but both have fabulous bang for buck otherwise, with good support overall.
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Cool, thanks for the suggestions. On paper I really am into the butcher so hopefully that carries through to pedaling it. The reign series looks nice too, there are several shops near that carry them so I'll be able to test those also.

The santa Cruz bikes look like they start as a frame set with suggested build kits, is that right? While I have ridden some bigger travel mountain bikes I wouldn't say I have any credible expeince to decide for shocks and such. Tis has a lot to do with budget too so I just chat the bike shop guys ears off I guess ya?
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Those who have ridden or owned the single pivot design, could you weigh in on it?
I've owned a few single pivot bikes. I like them. I gotta tell ya...2:1 is really RAWKing for me right now. I know there are very few out there, and mine would suck pedaling up all that crap b/c of the short ST, SPost, and crank arms...so I wouldn't dream of recommending it to ya. The 2:1 is just feels so much bigger than it is.

I'm really intrigued with the Blur LT2 at the moment, but I don't feel it's worth so much more than the Heckler. The Heckler is sub 1k...that's a great deal for a good quality do it all platform.

We got Heckler boyz here in the midwest doing 6-8' drops to tranny with a Fox 36. We have others setting them up with a RS 32 140-150mm fork at 27lbs riding baby-heads all day long. Not to mention that the frame is only 1lb heavier than my HT and the pivot bearings are lifetime.

Very versatile IMO.
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Ed: I'm with you on the Heckler versatility, but the pedaling of simple single pivots, even with good shocks is not as good as linkaged bikes like the Butcher, and some others I've owned/ridden. IMO, it's worthe the extra bucks for the Butcher. Plus the tweaking options with the tapered headtube, the better rear end stuffness, and the ISCG tabs.

CCC: what's your budget? I may have missed it if you mentioned it above. That is an important factor.

If you've got the budget, IMO, again, go for a multi link bike from someone. My experience with them is they all pedal better than most single pivots.
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Also keep in mind that not all single-pivots are created equally. When I was looking for a full-suspension, I rode both a Yeti AS-R and a Santa Cruz Superlight. They're both single pivots, they both had 100mm Floats in the back, they were both set up by the same guy, but the Yeti seemed like it was a better pedaling platform (or maybe it fit me better which made it seem like it was a better pedaling platform).
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Also keep in mind that not all single-pivots are created equally. When I was looking for a full-suspension, I rode both a Yeti AS-R and a Santa Cruz Superlight. They're both single pivots, they both had 100mm Floats in the back, they were both set up by the same guy, but the Yeti seemed like it was a better pedaling platform (or maybe it fit me better which made it seem like it was a better pedaling platform).
Exactly - that's standard single pivot vs. a linkage actuated single pivot right there.
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the budget is kind of up in question right now as I know I would ride less during the winter months due to conditions and all that so if i shoot to do this by early spring the budget can be much higher. No matter what I am looking into the range of the bikes mentioned, built up of course. So the reign is like 2300ish and the butcher would be around the same for the base model. so that "range" of bikes would be the budget for now.
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the budget is kind of up in question right now as I know I would ride less during the winter months due to conditions and all that so if i shoot to do this by early spring the budget can be much higher. No matter what I am looking into the range of the bikes mentioned, built up of course. So the reign is like 2300ish and the butcher would be around the same for the base model. so that "range" of bikes would be the budget for now.
Winter riding may surprise you. It can be really good.
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Well I'm starting to save now so not ruling it out but just saying it won't be in the next month likely
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Exactly - that's standard single pivot vs. a linkage actuated single pivot right there.
Yeah, my single pivots have been mostly linkage actuated.
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